As many of you know, a court order was issued to stop the expansion
of O'hare airport. As a supporter of the expansion, I think that it's stupid
that the expansion would be stopped.
Who could argue this plan?
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This plan would cut delays by so much, but yet, people have to complain
about it and whine and cry. It's my personal opinion that, the people who
do move in, next to the airport, have no right to complain about the
airport. The Airport was there, before they moved in, so it's their fault
for moving in, next to the airport. Don't like the noise? Then move out!
I also say, if you don't want the expansion, then you don't have a right
to complain about delays at the airport. It's like the people who move
in next to Wrigley Field and complain about the night games and how
it's too loud. Just shut up! You moved in next to it, you knew it would
be loud, so you have no right to complain.
What are your opinions on the expansion of O'hare? Are you for it?
Are you against it? What are your views?
"The world of politics is filled with uncivilized, snarling, rapacious beasts that, like untrained mutts, raise their legs and urinate on everything we hold dear," - Michael Savage
Well my Grandma lives very close to the airport and she is opposed to this expansion. She was also living there before the airport was really established (I believe it was just a landing strip at the time). The house is all she has (she and her husband built it from scratch), so moving isn't much of an option.
Yes, O'Hare has problems, but I don't know about this. I thought they were compleatly reconfiguring the runways. It looks like they just added 2 parallel runways, which won't solve the problem of a poorly laid out airport. If they are going to fix O'Hare, they need to FIX it.
I am opposed to 3rd airport in Peatone, too far out there. I am in favor of expanding surburban airports (Aurora, Dekalb, Dupage, Waukeegan, and more emphasis on Rockford).
I do think that this expansion is much needed. O'Hare is a great airport,
but needs to be updated.
LAX - Los Angeles Int'l. - Is getting updated and improved.
ATL - Atlanta Hartsfield Int'l - Is getting updated and improved.
BOS - Boston Logan Int'l - Scheduled for Modernization
JFK - New York JFK Int'l - Scheduled for Modernization
This is just a sample of many airports that are being modernized
so that it can handle the demands that are currently being handed
out. If O'Hare isn't modernized, we will fall behind and it'll be hard
to come back.
I will state one more time, if people oppose the O'Hare expansion,
DO NOT complain about the delays at the airport.
As far as expanding other regional Airports, I think that would be great.
I think flights such as O'Hare to Peoria, O'Hare to Bloomington, Even
O'Hare to Milwaukee, can be ran out of DuPage, Gary, what have you.
Or heck, even eliminated.
But even if the regional airports were expanded, O'Hare still has to
be modernized. Whether people like it or not, the construction will
happen. I support this modernization and I can't wait to see O'hare
improve by this.
"The world of politics is filled with uncivilized, snarling, rapacious beasts that, like untrained mutts, raise their legs and urinate on everything we hold dear," - Michael Savage
My old house is one of those scheduled to be demolished.
My house was built there BEFORE O'Hare was built. Don't forget that they would have to move 1400 Graves from the local church that would also be demolished.
My old hometown of Bensenville will no longer exist. I think it was at least half of it would become new airport. Yes O'Hare needs to be updated, there is no doubt about that. But you can do massive runway reconfigurations in the area they already have. There are quite a few service buildings that could be moved/relocated to make one larger service area which would free up quite a bit of space. The main thing that they want to do with the new O'Hare is to minimize runway incursions ( crossings ) and I think just some moving of buildings and reconfiguring of runways can accomplish this. You don't have to go out and knock 2 towns off the face of the planet so you can add a runway out in the middle of nowhere.
Ok, saying that a city would not exist with the O'hare expansion, is not
factual and is totally false.
This image shows you O'hare. The area shaded in blue is the current
land that O'hare has. The Orange shading is land that O'hare wants
for the expansion.
Lets see. Elk Grove Village, not destroyed, Bensenville, not destroyed.
No city will be destroyed. Barely any of Elk Grove village is taken and
barely any of Bensenville is taken.
Please people, when making a strong statement, stating that cities would
be ripped off the map and that 2 towns would be knocked off, please
provide proof to your claims, cause I just proved your assumptions WRONG!
"The world of politics is filled with uncivilized, snarling, rapacious beasts that, like untrained mutts, raise their legs and urinate on everything we hold dear," - Michael Savage
Jamesb58 wrote:LAX - Los Angeles Int'l. - Is getting updated and improved. ATL - Atlanta Hartsfield Int'l - Is getting updated and improved. BOS - Boston Logan Int'l - Scheduled for Modernization JFK - New York JFK Int'l - Scheduled for Modernization
Yes, they are getting updated and improved, but expanded? NO! I dont see why they just can't figure out a new runway layout with the space they have right now. O'Hare is the biggest airport in the world, I'm pretty sure it has enough space already to make new plans.
BTW, you live in Peoria, so why does this even really matter to you?
First off, to answer Mschulz5's last question of why this effects me
with me living in Peoria.
I lived in Chicago for 8 years and had to move to Peoria this year
due to an unfortunate job layoff, and it forced me to move to Peoria
where my parents are. I plan on moving back to the Chicago area
in about 1-2 years. I keep up on what is going on in Chicago and I
fly out of O'hare when I need to fly.
Second, with the plans that O'hare wants to do, they cannot do it with the
current land they have. The have to extend. The Bensenville land, is
taken, because, with the addition of a more southern runway, you can't
have those houses there. That land needs to be taken, for the saftey of
people.
The aquasition of the new land is for the addition of the shorter North and
South runways.
Plus the land in Bensenville is taken, so that in the future the can add.
There are options to build 1 more runway, down in that area.
"The world of politics is filled with uncivilized, snarling, rapacious beasts that, like untrained mutts, raise their legs and urinate on everything we hold dear," - Michael Savage
I don't think Air Traffic is going to continue to increase at the rate it has in the late 90's and early 00's. We're going to be facing serious energy issues soon. I don't fly, so right now, I don't care much about the O'Hare expansion.
As a former student pilot whose class discussed the O'Hare Peotone issue very often, let me state the following......
The O'Hare Expansion is going to be one large Charlie Foxtrot.
The increase in Traffic within the O'Hare airspace and multiple operations including LSAH (Land Short And Hold) is going to be hell on an already strained ATC system. The potential for real disaster is going to seriously increase.
Peotone wasn't a viable option either, but thats a whole other political ballgame.
Aero hit it right about expanding other regional airports. Rather than tear down Meigs (Which increased traffic at both Midway & O'Hare - not to mention the millions of dollars the state has had to pay in extra travel for its emplyee's and Govenor) in hopes of a land based Casino, Daley should have concentrated on networking the numerous regional airports via mass transit. If you expand other airports and create direct shuttles between the various airports, You may be able to meet demand.
Just my $.02
It's the most fun in the park when your laughing in the dark.
O'Hare has flights that I feel are stupid and if those flights were
eliminated from O'Hare and given to regional airports, the traffic
at O'Hare would be decreased.
Some of those flights include:
O'Hare to Bloomington - United and American
O'Hare to Peoria - United and American
O'Hare to Moline - United, American, US Airways
O'Hare to Milwaukee - United, America, US Airways
O'Hare to South Bend - United, US Airways
O'Hare to Madison - United, American, US Airways
O'Hare to Springfield - United
These Regional Flights could be picked up by DuPage or
Rockford. Plus, I feel that these flights are useless. By
the time you get on the jet and to the destination, you could
have already been there, via car.
But, even if you start to even out the flights to regional airports,
O'Hare still needs to be Modernized. O'Hare would work much
better with Parallel East-West Runways, than multiple Parallel
Runways, going in many directions, as it is now.
"The world of politics is filled with uncivilized, snarling, rapacious beasts that, like untrained mutts, raise their legs and urinate on everything we hold dear," - Michael Savage
O'Hare has flights that I feel are stupid and if those flights were eliminated from O'Hare and given to regional airports, the traffic at O'Hare would be decreased.
Some of those flights include:
O'Hare to Bloomington - United and American O'Hare to Peoria - United and American O'Hare to Moline - United, American, US Airways O'Hare to Milwaukee - United, America, US Airways O'Hare to South Bend - United, US Airways O'Hare to Madison - United, American, US Airways O'Hare to Springfield - United
These Regional Flights could be picked up by DuPage or Rockford. Plus, I feel that these flights are useless. By the time you get on the jet and to the destination, you could have already been there, via car.
I completely disagree with your idea that RFD or DPA could pick up these flights, Why would someone that lives in say Elgin needlessly drive to Rockford or DPA to fly to PIA (Peoria) or South Bend? When they can go to Ohare and take off there.
Just because you think its useless doesnt mean the Airlines running the routes dont.
However, for arguements sake, Why would a person want to leave there house an additional 1 or 2 for a flight to South Bend, when they can take The South Bend electric (Metra) and spend a helluva lot less then flying.
Also alot of downstate companies ferry workers to and from.. which is why these flights exist in the first place.
If anyplace that should pick up these instate flights it should be Midway and not Ohare.... seems logical that "less important flights" should be flown out of an airport that is better suited for the increase in traffic.
1. Congestion at regional airports would be less
2. Parking would be easier/cheeper
3. There would likely be fewer delays
4. It's often times cheeper (since O'Hare charges some harsh landing fees).
5. It's often times faster to go from Elgin to DuPage Airport (Straight shot down IL 31/25). To get to Rockford it's a shot down 90 or 20 to 90. For Aurora they have their own airport with long enough runways to handle an increase in traffic.
Also with the way that the Airline Buisness has been going (favoring small local airlines rather than huge international carriers -- Ex JetBlue/Southwest over United/American) we fesably could see an increase in activity at more local airports.
Jamesb58 wrote: O'Hare has flights that I feel are stupid and if those flights were eliminated from O'Hare and given to regional airports, the traffic at O'Hare would be decreased.
Some of those flights include:
O'Hare to Bloomington - United and American O'Hare to Peoria - United and American O'Hare to Springfield - United
These Regional Flights could be picked up by DuPage or Rockford. Plus, I feel that these flights are useless. By the time you get on the jet and to the destination, you could have already been there, via car.
But, even if you start to even out the flights to regional airports, O'Hare still needs to be Modernized. O'Hare would work much better with Parallel East-West Runways, than multiple Parallel Runways, going in many directions, as it is now.
Those three flights often carry State Workers when the IDOT DOA Shuttle is full or has been comandeered by Blago. They also carry numerous lobbyists to SPI, corporation workers for CAT and other companies to both BMI and PIA. Most people going to O'Hare from downstate (such as myself) also fly from PIA or BMI since its cheaper than SPI and the security / check in process is a heck of a lot shorter than O'Hare.
One hour drive to Peoria - free parking - 15min to check in / security - 20 min flight to O'Hare (lists as 45, but I timed it - we reached cruising Alt for less than 5 min before decent to O'Hare) - beats a 4 hour drive to O'Hare, paying for parking and another hour for Security with long lines - every time.
It's the most fun in the park when your laughing in the dark.
Jamesb58 wrote:LAX - Los Angeles Int'l. - Is getting updated and improved. ATL - Atlanta Hartsfield Int'l - Is getting updated and improved. BOS - Boston Logan Int'l - Scheduled for Modernization JFK - New York JFK Int'l - Scheduled for Modernization
Yes, they are getting updated and improved, but expanded? NO! I dont see why they just can't figure out a new runway layout with the space they have right now. O'Hare is the biggest airport in the world, I'm pretty sure it has enough space already to make new plans.
BTW, you live in Peoria, so why does this even really matter to you?
ORD, Is NOT the biggest airport in the world, It isnt even the Busiest anymore ATL is, However runway reconfiguation while likely the easiest answer to the delay problems, Would be the most difficult to construct because I would guess that it would require the closure of some of the runways at ORD which would be a traffic nightmare.
[quote="Jamesb58"
Lets see. Elk Grove Village, not destroyed, Bensenville, not destroyed.
No city will be destroyed. Barely any of Elk Grove village is taken and
barely any of Bensenville is taken.
Please people, when making a strong statement, stating that cities would
be ripped off the map and that 2 towns would be knocked off, please
provide proof to your claims, cause I just proved your assumptions WRONG![/quote]
Wrong again, there will be 460 Acres taken, 530 houses destroyed, nearly 1400 graves need to be moved, and it will displace 2600 people. Don't forget to mention nearly 200 businesses which comes from the economic heart of Bensenville's downtown area.
And I don't know where you got that image from but if you take a look at the image on CBS's website : http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local ... 12242.html Yes its small but all of the yellow area is area to be taken over. Which is quite a lot more than what your "map" shows.
You can get all of the information and images that I have put on this thread
at that site.
"The world of politics is filled with uncivilized, snarling, rapacious beasts that, like untrained mutts, raise their legs and urinate on everything we hold dear," - Michael Savage
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