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Postby Ilovthevu' on August 12th, 2005, 9:54 pm
So do you agree or disagree with it? I think it is very sad to see what could be grown adults be killed. I can't be for it at all. If you can't handle a child between two people, than they shouldn't be sleeping together at all even if it is for fun.
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Postby DejaVuGurl1203 on August 12th, 2005, 9:57 pm
I really don't have anything against it. Sure, it's really sad, but if you really can't handle the baby at all then I can totally understand...
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Postby Timmy179 on August 12th, 2005, 9:59 pm
I think it should be legal within limitations. Ex not after the first term
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Postby CoasterDude12-2 on August 12th, 2005, 10:35 pm
Abortion should be Illegal in all forms. Abortion=Murder. Adoption=saving an innocent human's life.
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Postby clrntsqueak on August 13th, 2005, 12:50 am
I think it should be legal in terms of rape and/or incest.

Edit: Minor technicality.
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Postby Andrew on August 13th, 2005, 1:04 am
I think it should be illegal no and's if's or but's about it. Besides it was that person's stupidity to go and get pregnant when she shouldn't have. Why take it out on the baby by killing it. That's just wrong. Give it up for adoption instead of killing it.
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Postby CoasterDude12-2 on August 13th, 2005, 8:40 am
Or practice abstinence and don't have to go through it at all.

Oh and in the case of rape, I guess you should be able to abort it.
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Postby SFGA Bob on August 13th, 2005, 10:01 am
rape/incest/life of the mother like others. although I don't see it being banned and accepted right off so I like Timmy's idea of not after 1st trimester. and, honestly, I would love to know how 3rd trimester abortions became legal. that's just nasty.

the adoption procedure needs an overhaul, though. I don't know much about it, but there's often some news story about overcrowding and abuse and such of foster kids.

basically, for me, it boils down to the fact that the choice was made during intercourse for the guy to not wear a condom or the girl to not be on the pill. the choice there was to be irresponsible. if the woman was smart, the next morning she'd go out and get the morning after pill (which I don't consider abortion). after that, its a real human life that is being taken which is murder.
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Postby Andrew on August 13th, 2005, 11:39 am
^ Perfectly said.
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Postby Timmy179 on August 13th, 2005, 11:55 am
practice abstinence? you should be burned at the stake.
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Postby Do I Know You on August 13th, 2005, 1:03 pm
Make it legal until the embryo can live outside the mother's womb. Aborting it then would be overkill.
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Postby Drkstarboard on August 13th, 2005, 11:16 pm
I totally think it should be illegal (unless of course rape)
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Postby Andrew on August 13th, 2005, 11:30 pm
I think it should be illegal even if it is rape. Have it adopted instead.
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Postby SixFlagsChick on August 15th, 2005, 10:39 am
you have to realize that you can still get pregnant when using condoms or birth control pills...... I had a boyfriend who left me because his ex got pregnant, and she was on birth control pills.... the kid was really messed up because of it...but still, it can happen.
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Postby SFGA Bob on August 15th, 2005, 12:58 pm
its still a choice that you make. if you choose to have intercourse then you should be ready to accept the consequences whatever they may be. it sometimes seems people forget that intercourse is a reproductive method. what exactly do you think is gonna happen when you do that?
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Postby SixFlagsChick on August 15th, 2005, 1:21 pm
good point.... I dont think I would ever choose abortion....maybe adoption depending on the situation.... definately go for pro-choice in the end though..... I just think we need to educate the teenagers, etc. that abortion is not a method of birth control... I think that is where a lot of them think that its ok and they can be reckless because they can use abortion as a "back-up method". Did you know they are discussing making the morning-after pill an OTC drug that can be purchased if you are over the age of 16? That might help the teenage pregnancy rate...
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Postby SFGA Bob on August 15th, 2005, 3:57 pm
yeah, I remember something like that. I'm not exactly sure about having it OTC. on the one hand its easily available and anonymous, but for some reason, I think it might be better left as it is.
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Postby SixFlagsChick on August 15th, 2005, 4:15 pm
well their thinking was that an emergency contreception pill (as it stands now) needs to be issued by a doctor (prescription) and should be taken within the first 24 hours after intercourse in order to be effective. (and no I don't know this from experience....I read the article I was talking about earlier^)

Some doctors are not available right away (ie because it is the weekend, or they are out of state, vacation, etc.) The idea behind putting the morning after pill over the counter is to make it available to women right away when they need it. There has been talk of keeping the pill behind the counter of the pharmacy and making it available without a perscription. A lot of pharmacies have 24 hour locations, so this seems to be a good idea.

I think they were also considering making the pill available at the age of 16 with parental consent...im not sure if that was the case..or how they would do that...but to me that seems like a fair enough deal.
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Postby haydawg149 on August 15th, 2005, 5:04 pm
I did a project on this and it is just plain disgusting, the babies are so teeny and absolutely covered in blood and are as small as a quarter.

I dont see how it could be done because of rape because ou dont always know if they were actually raped, people could just walk in, say "I've been raped, I want an abortion" and get one just by saying so . . .
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Postby SFGA Bob on August 15th, 2005, 9:21 pm
more likely is there will be an increase in back alley abortions. generally when you're raped, you report it to the authorities who can usually verify that you have been raped. actually, I think that women who are raped should not abort, but I can totally understand if they want to.

I did a documentary once where I interviewed a worker at a local adoption place (which, strangely enough, was next door to a planned parenthood) who said that they feel that women who have been raped shouldn't abort. they offer conseling and such which the women will no doubt need anyway. personally I think that's the better route, but I can see how the child would be a constant reminder of what happened.
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Postby Binks Drake on August 15th, 2005, 10:26 pm
Isn't it funny how everyone who's pro-abortion (or more accuratley "Not-anti) is hanging back...
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Postby w00dland on August 15th, 2005, 11:10 pm
I'm gonna go political here, so watch out.

It confuses me why many Democratic Liberals are very prone to animal rights and the enviroment, but have no problem with abortion because it's the woman's right to choose. I've talked to people about how it's so wrong to hunt (even though it isn't) then 10 minutes later they are talking about how their friend got an abortion and that's it's not wrong because it would have messed up her life. So let me get this strait it's wrong to kill the animal that is overrunning the state of Wisconsin with it's Cronic Wasting Diesiese, but it's not wrong to kill a human being? UGH Peta pisses me off.

Anyways I think that it's not the Woman's right to choose. I don't think it's the Man's right to choose, I think it's the Baby's right to choose and if the Baby could talk I'm pretty sure it wouldn't say "kill me I don't want to live."

Basically if you are so mature to have sex, you should be mature enough to accept the consequences yourself.
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Postby Andrew on August 15th, 2005, 11:53 pm
^ I 100% agree with you.
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Postby SFGA Bob on August 16th, 2005, 9:14 am
but that's politics, not real life. poloticians can't live in the real world which is why they're all in DC.
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Postby SixFlagsChick on August 16th, 2005, 10:30 am
.... Well look at it this way too.... There is testing now for diseases and birth defects when the fetus is in a young stage. Who is not to say it would be in the best interest to abort a child who is going to be completely brain dead, paralyzed, etc... as that child would not have much of a life.... Yes... I know what I am saying...just because someone is paralyzed doesnt mean we should kill them, but to have no hope of the future is sad. Now... I want to make it VERY CLEAR... that I am talking about EXTREME situations... not stuff like the kid is missing an arm....or downs syndrome or other less serious disorders.

There are exceptions to everything... at least most normal people can have kids...I dont even know If I can :( But I am sure I would be more than happy to adopt if that was the case
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