General Topic - For things other then coasters.

[Timmy179]

I do notice a trend of under 18 non-taxpaying bush supporters. Hmm...

[w00dland]

^That doesn't make sense...do you remember your tax rebate check?

I bet that might disappear with Kerry in office.

The man has promised 2 trillion dollars to different things so far, and he's still got two months to promise more. Where do you think that money is going to come from, the sky?

[The Beast]

I know, I know! Kerry has proposed raising the upper tax bracket up to where it was, or past that. And before anybody says thats what it should be like listen: First off about only half of America pays taxes. Second the top bracket pays about 50% of the taxes. And I can't stand it when, people say "so they're rich, who cares?" . Who are you tell people what they should do with their money. If rich people earned it, I think they should be able to keep a little bit more than 70% of it.

[Aero737]

God I hate rich people. I really do.

Sometimes is it necessary to RAISE taxes to help the country out. Or maybe we just need a president who can acually pay off the national debt. As much as people hated Clinton, he was by far the best president of the late 20th century.

I'm not saying Kerry will do all that Clinton did, but something has to be done about 'W'. The government isn't made out of cash.

TAX THE RICH!

Exactly. Who is going to stop it? Who do you think? Bush. The war is to save even more lives. He's not the one who flew a plane into the WTC.

Oh no, 200 people died in Russia when they were attacked by Cheznian (sp?) rebbels. Why isn't Bush prepairing an invasion force to push into Russia and liberate the people there? Huh? What about in South and Central America, why arn't we invading there? Huh? Terrorists come from other places than just the middle east. Why the heck arn't we attacking anywhere else? Perhaps because there is no oil?

"President Bush says in the last month he has created 300,000 new jobs. Yeah, they're called Kerry campaign workers." —Craig Kilborn

"President Bush says now he is sticking to his plan for handing over power to the Iraqis on June 30. It's also part of his plan to hand over power to John Kerry on January 20." —David Letterman

"We ought to thank President Bush. He made it a lot easier for people to do taxes this year. No job, no income tax this year." —Jay Leno

"The L.A. Times reports that al Qaeda terrorists have been traced to Iran, and President Bush is talking tough. In fact he said he will attack the minute he has evidence his approval rating is under 45 percent." —Jay Leno

Bush gets looked down upon for sending 600 soldiers to their death in Iraq; everyone complains. 1.5 million+ children are aborted every year. I hear not one complaint.

Is it just me, or does this make NO sense. How can Abortion and Soldiers dieing for a war we didn't need to fight be compaired. And also, last time I checked, people were blowing up doctors offices over abortion. So Obviously someone cares.

BTW, I'm pro choice.

[The Beast]

You have got to be kidding me? You have to ask why we aren't going to South America and Central America to attack those terrorists...oh wait we already did when we fought cocaine in the 80's. And why would we go to Russia? Last time I checked they dont have a dictator killing their own people. Also don't you get the reason we are attacking the middle eastern terrorists is because they were the ones who attacked us? I don't think that was that hard of a concept to grasp.
Really great touch with the late night host's jokes. I somehow care what they say.

[Aero737]

Saddam attacked us? Find me the newspaper headline and I'll give you a cookie. Last time I checked, we're in a "War on terrorism".

[Do I Know You]

Power's back on. Yay.

[Aero737]

Oh, I thought you might of perished after not heeding my warning. How's the flooding down there? Bad?

Watch out, Ivan is expected to make landfall next week as a strong Cat 4 or maybe even a Cat 5. Florida is under the gun agian.

[coasterdude12]

At least Frances isn't in our path now. Kentucky is under the gun for it .


During times of war, economies are bad. Usually due to the cost of war. Bush did create 300,000 REAL jobs last year, anyone who believes those late night talk shows is kind of looney in my opinion. Get some sleep and listen to Limbaugh, who gives liberals what they deserve

[SFGA Bob]

hahaha...yeah, you can always get the truth from a biased perspective.

[anthonycdudley]

Rush Limbaugh just says what's right, and if conservatives are right, there right, if liberals are right, there right. But, conservatives know what's right, liberals just wnat to change everything

[Do I Know You]

Oh, I thought you might of perished after not heeding my warning. How's the flooding down there? Bad?

Watch out, Ivan is expected to make landfall next week as a strong Cat 4 or maybe even a Cat 5. Florida is under the gun agian.

I actually don't have a lot of flooding, other than my pool overflowing a bit. My power was out for about 35 hours, which was hell, mainly because I had no A/C.

I can't believe there's gonna be another hurricane. This is a sign. *buys one-way ticket back to Chicago*

[Aero737]

Here is the current model plot of Ivan. Looks like it might be taking a bit more of a westerly path. Good for Florida, bad for Gulf Coast.

[coasterdude12]

2 major hurricanes (Charley,Frances) 1 minimal tropical storm(Bonnie) and 1 major hurricane on the way(Ivan)

I would'nt live in Florida if you paid me...

[SFGA Bob]

meh...just buy a condo and only visit when the weather's just right.

[w00dland]

TAX THE RICH!

Why? They create a lot more jobs than the working family will ever create, by lowering taxes we allow more money for the middle class to spend, and when you don't tax just the rich your going to have more jobs which gives even more money to the middle class.

Oh no, 200 people died in Russia when they were attacked by Cheznian (sp?) rebbels. Why isn't Bush prepairing an invasion force to push into Russia and liberate the people there? Huh? What about in South and Central America, why arn't we invading there? Huh? Terrorists come from other places than just the middle east. Why the heck arn't we attacking anywhere else? Perhaps because there is no oil?

Hmm, maybe that's because Russian Rebels are rebelling the Russian gov't, not ours? I know terrorists come from other places, but your talking about invading the entire world to finish terrorism which is just stupid. We attacked Afghanistan (I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure they don't have a lot of oil) and wiped out most of Al-Queda's leadership and training camps. Iraq was a threat, and Congress almost all agreed to that, including your buddies John and John. Bush then went back to congress seeking more money to pay for supplies and other things for our troops, then congress all agreed except for 4 people. Edwards and Kerry both disagreed, after agreeing that Iraq was a threat and we should go to war. Why would they say that and then refuse to give our troops ammunition and other vital supplies?

And if we were doing this all for oil, you'd think gas prices would have leveled out by now, and not continued rising years after we invaded Iraq.

rct2wizard360 wrote:
Bush gets looked down upon for sending 600 soldiers to their death in Iraq; everyone complains. 1.5 million+ children are aborted every year. I hear not one complaint.


Is it just me, or does this make NO sense. How can Abortion and Soldiers dieing for a war we didn't need to fight be compaired. And also, last time I checked, people were blowing up doctors offices over abortion. So Obviously someone cares.

Are you kidding me? How are you suppested to know what those 1.5 mil and year could have become in life? You never know, one of them might have just been one of the best liberals of all time. Prochoice? I could have never guessed...

And yes, the latenight talkshow jokes will really change my mind on things, they make no point whatsoever.

hahaha...yeah, you can always get the truth from a biased perspective.

Hmm, that doesn't sound like 90% of the media to you does it? Us conservatives only have so many things we can stand watching/listening too because every other station bashes Bush to raise ratings.

To end this "Mega-conservative-I-know-people-will-yell-at-me-after-this-post I will quote our President

The media will not decide the outcome of this election!

[w00dland]

TAX THE RICH!

Why? They create a lot more jobs than the working family will ever create, by lowering taxes we allow more money for the middle class to spend, and when you don't tax just the rich your going to have more jobs which gives even more money to the middle class.

Oh no, 200 people died in Russia when they were attacked by Cheznian (sp?) rebbels. Why isn't Bush prepairing an invasion force to push into Russia and liberate the people there? Huh? What about in South and Central America, why arn't we invading there? Huh? Terrorists come from other places than just the middle east. Why the heck arn't we attacking anywhere else? Perhaps because there is no oil?

Hmm, maybe that's because Russian Rebels are rebelling the Russian gov't, not ours? I know terrorists come from other places, but your talking about invading the entire world to finish terrorism which is just stupid. We attacked Afghanistan (I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure they don't have a lot of oil) and wiped out most of Al-Queda's leadership and training camps. Iraq was a threat, and Congress almost all agreed to that, including your buddies John and John. Bush then went back to congress seeking more money to pay for supplies and other things for our troops, then congress all agreed except for 4 people. Edwards and Kerry both disagreed, after agreeing that Iraq was a threat and we should go to war. Why would they say that and then refuse to give our troops ammunition and other vital supplies?

And if we were doing this all for oil, you'd think gas prices would have leveled out by now, and not continued rising years after we invaded Iraq.

rct2wizard360 wrote:
Bush gets looked down upon for sending 600 soldiers to their death in Iraq; everyone complains. 1.5 million+ children are aborted every year. I hear not one complaint.


Is it just me, or does this make NO sense. How can Abortion and Soldiers dieing for a war we didn't need to fight be compaired. And also, last time I checked, people were blowing up doctors offices over abortion. So Obviously someone cares.

Are you kidding me? How are you suppested to know what those 1.5 mil and year could have become in life? You never know, one of them might have just been one of the best liberals of all time. Prochoice? I could have never guessed...

And yes, the latenight talkshow jokes will really change my mind on things, they make no point whatsoever.

hahaha...yeah, you can always get the truth from a biased perspective.

Hmm, that doesn't sound like 90% of the media to you does it? Us conservatives only have so many things we can stand watching/listening too because every other station bashes Bush to raise ratings.

To end this "Mega-conservative-I-know-people-will-yell-at-me-after-this-post I will quote our President

The media will not decide the outcome of this election!

[SFGA Bob]

Why? They create a lot more jobs than the working family will ever create, by lowering taxes we allow more money for the middle class to spend, and when you don't tax just the rich your going to have more jobs which gives even more money to the middle class.

the rich don't create jobs, companies do. and what good is a job if you don't have a decent education or health care or possible choices for alternate forms of transportation, etc?

Hmm, maybe that's because Russian Rebels are rebelling the Russian gov't, not ours? I know terrorists come from other places, but your talking about invading the entire world to finish terrorism which is just stupid. We attacked Afghanistan (I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure they don't have a lot of oil) and wiped out most of Al-Queda's leadership and training camps. Iraq was a threat, and Congress almost all agreed to that, including your buddies John and John. Bush then went back to congress seeking more money to pay for supplies and other things for our troops, then congress all agreed except for 4 people. Edwards and Kerry both disagreed, after agreeing that Iraq was a threat and we should go to war. Why would they say that and then refuse to give our troops ammunition and other vital supplies?

And if we were doing this all for oil, you'd think gas prices would have leveled out by now, and not continued rising years after we invaded Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat period

Are you kidding me? How are you suppested to know what those 1.5 mil and year could have become in life? You never know, one of them might have just been one of the best liberals of all time. Prochoice? I could have never guessed...

And yes, the latenight talkshow jokes will really change my mind on things, they make no point whatsoever.

the only thing I gotta say about abortion is, pro choice or pro life, you can't force you're beliefs on someone. if you don't like what someone is doing, you don't make a law, you try to change their minds through intellictual discussion.

Hmm, that doesn't sound like 90% of the media to you does it? Us conservatives only have so many things we can stand watching/listening too because every other station bashes Bush to raise ratings.

yeah, but some sources are quite a bit more reliable than others and by that I don't mean all liberal sources as I dislike quite a few liberal sources just as much as I dislike certain conservative sources.

[Do I Know You]

Iraq was not a threat period

Here it comes!

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/07/07/iraq.nuclear/
http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2002/10/dci100702.html
http://washingtontimes.com/national/200 ... -5897r.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html

[Aero737]

The first link. 'COULD' of been made into a dirty bomb. I guess Korea can make their nuclear material into a dirty bomb, so can pakastan, so can france, so can Russia...The point is, Iraq was trying to get a nuclear program started thats why they had the uranium. It was not weapons grade and it was not in a harmful form.

I didnt read much of the second link.

Third link. The chemical bombs they found were buried and corroded because they were left over from the 1st gulf war and the Iran-Iraq war.


And to this point, I still don't think there has been any significant findings of any WMD that could really pose a major threat to the US. What good is an old artillery shell if you don't have the airplanes to drop it on your target?


And I wasn't trying to sway anyone with the jokes, they were merely there to amuse the liberals around here.

[Do I Know You]

The first link. 'COULD' of been made into a dirty bomb. I guess Korea can make their nuclear material into a dirty bomb, so can pakastan, so can france, so can Russia...The point is, Iraq was trying to get a nuclear program started thats why they had the uranium. It was not weapons grade and it was not in a harmful form.

Nuclear material is nuclear material, and in the wrong hands, it could be deadly. I think we can both agree that Saddam Hussein could be considered as the wrong hands. He would have definitely made bombs out of this stuff if he had been given the chance.

I didnt read much of the second link.

This is the important part:

Our understanding of the relationship between Iraq and al- Qa'ida is evolving and is based on sources of varying reliability. Some of the information we have received comes from detainees, including some of high rank.

We have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al-Qa'ida going back a decade.

Credible information indicates that Iraq and al-Qa'ida have discussed safe haven and reciprocal non-aggression.

Since Operation Enduring Freedom, we have solid evidence of the presence in Iraq of al-Qa'ida members, including some that have been in Baghdad.

We have credible reporting that al-Qa'ida leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire WMD capabilities. The reporting also stated that Iraq has provided training to al-Qa'ida members in the areas of poisons and gases and making conventional bombs.

Iraq's increasing support to extremist Palestinians, coupled with growing indications of a relationship with al- Qa'ida, suggest that Baghdad's links to terrorists will increase, even absent US military action.

Third link. The chemical bombs they found were buried and corroded because they were left over from the 1st gulf war and the Iran-Iraq war.

Where does it say anything about the bombs being corroded or buried? All I see is this:

"We're not sure how many more are out there that haven't been found, but we've found 10 or 12 sarin and mustard rounds," he said. "I'm reluctant to judge what that means at this point, but there's other aspects of the program which we still have to flush out."
U.S. military officials in Baghdad found two bombs in May containing chemicals. A roadside bomb made from an artillery shell discovered May 15 contained chemicals that, when combined, form sarin.
Earlier on May 7, another improvised explosive device was found containing mustard agent.
All such weapons were supposed to have been destroyed by Saddam's regime under U.N. sanctions and the terms of the cease fire from the 1990-91 Persian Gulf war.

By the way, you didn't say anything about the fourth link.

[Aero737]

Oh, I didnt see the 4th link. And the bombs they found were buried and from the old wars. It was in a followup article.

[w00dland]

the rich don't create jobs, companies do. and what good is a job if you don't have a decent education or health care or possible choices for alternate forms of transportation, etc?

And who do you think owns those companies? Or is on the board of directors of those companies?

RICH PEOPLE!

the only thing I gotta say about abortion is, pro choice or pro life, you can't force you're beliefs on someone. if you don't like what someone is doing, you don't make a law, you try to change their minds through intellictual discussion.

I'll probably get flamed like hell for this but I don't care. Abortion is not a belief for most people. It is used if the baby was a "Mistake" for the most part which I think is entirely wrong. If your boyfriend was to dumb to strap on a condom before he decided to go all the way with you that's his fault and your fault for not paying attention and forcing him to put one on. Now your pregnant and you only see one way out of it - killing your baby.

It's stupid murder made by people who think they have no other choice. They do have other choices but they won't take the responsible way out because they think it will ruin their lives.

[SFGA Bob]

what I got from the second link was that Iraq had no plans of attacking the US

Baghdad for now appears to be drawing a line short of conducting terrorist attacks with conventional or CBW against the United States.

and that an attack against the US *might* be provoked if we invade.

Should Saddam conclude that a US-led attack could no longer be deterred, he probably would become much less constrained in adopting terrorist actions.

as for the end of the letter, I'd love to see the sources that say that there's a link between Iraq and al-Qaida, because everything I've read says that there has been no such link including the President himself.

[Do I Know You]

what I got from the second link was that Iraq had no plans of attacking the US

Seems like you only read the first half.

Since Operation Enduring Freedom, we have solid evidence of the presence in Iraq of al-Qa'ida members, including some that have been in Baghdad.

and that an attack against the US *might* be provoked if we invade.

All that is saying is that he would have more of an incentive to attack. You'd fight back if you country was at war, wouldn't you?

as for the end of the letter, I'd love to see the sources that say that there's a link between Iraq and al-Qaida, because everything I've read says that there has been no such link including the President himself.

John McLaughlin himself wrote that, and the source for the letter is right at the top of the document:

Source:
Congressional Record
October 9, 2002
Page S10154