chimike wrote:As for having a life, I would ask you to look at my post count and then yours.
Yea, you may have less posts than most people and me, but I do not have 33 posts today. You obviously been having no fun today have you, posting 33 times, seriously, and reading all those books about disney, that is defiatnly having way too much time on your hands.
Universal Orlando Mechanical Engineer Marathon down, Goofy to go.
I believe the topics are open for everyone. I'm not the top poster on these boards, and in fact, I'm not too close. So what about the other people who post more than me. Sounds like you have a fun life, "accumulating knowledge of Disney through firsthand experience and a lifetime of collecting and reading materials". Not. If you want to keep it between two members, try a PM.
chimike wrote:As for having a life, I would ask you to look at my post count and then yours.
Yea, you may have less posts than most people and me, but I do not have 33 posts today. You obviously been having no fun today have you, posting 33 times, seriously, and reading all those books about disney, that is defiatnly having way too much time on your hands.
That reasoning makes no sense. The reasons why all of a sudden I have a lot of posts today is that there is a discussion occurring where I find many poor statements that are related to issues that I have interests in.
How do you know I'm not lying in my bed today sick ?
So let me get this right, members of sfgamworld resort to character assassinations when they can't be right? Is that how it works?
twixmix0303 wrote: Sounds like you have a fun life, "accumulating knowledge of Disney through firsthand experience and a lifetime of collecting and reading materials". Not. If you want to keep it between two members, try a PM.
Well I guess I just backed up my last point.
Actually, you're right. It is a very, very fun life. A life that can make others envious. Many people wish to do what I have been done, I have even wished that I could DO MORE and CONTINUE BEING MORE INVOLVED with Disney. How many people wish they could have walked along the rooftops of Main Street? But posting on a discussion board on a daily basis rather then once in a while is perfectly normal, eh?
twixmix0303 wrote:You told me to not bud into other people's topics and compared me to Caesar. But you're doing the same thing.
No. Once again read what I said. I said that you jumped into a discussion to say who was right and who was wrong when you didn't have the knowledge to do so.
Caesar was an analogy of your behavior. It wasn't a character assassination like "Get a life"
Attack the viewpoint and the statements not the poster.
Danhockey04 wrote:I think that this is just plain stupid, arguing about such stupid things like this. People have opinions about certain things, as for Virtua Tennis, he thinks that AE should have not been taken out, obviously, and he has the right to think that. Secondly, EPCOT is also known is Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow, that is just the name; EPCOT is the abbreviation. About the SW topic, yea it may be a good ride, but it is a scary ride for kids, and in my opinion not better than AE. Also, how can you say that Test Track is not any better than the previous ride, idk the name, the one that had to do with wheels. Test Track is a cool ride, and just stop trying to prove yourself right about everuthing, no one knows everything.
Wow, I leave to go pick up dinner, and this is what I come back? I have to agree with chimike that people's reading skills nowadays just aren't what they used to be. Never once did criticize VT's viewpoint. I merely corrected him on a few of his facts, and called him out on his attempts to cover his own ass by editing his posts, and pulling 180's on his viewpoints. I wanted to bring light to this as I didn't want anyone to mistake Pappas's ramblings as fact. Also, I am a firm believer that everyone is entitled to an opinion, dependent upon one thing- they should be able to explain their view point. I offered my POV on TT, and explained it. VT did not, and that was the reason behind my last post.
Oh My Gosh! WOW! What have you done to the nice little topic?
Arrowsmith scares me, I think they should take that out.
Seriously, if VT believes it's scary for kids, that's fine with me. You guys need to stop brawling because of something as stupid as that. For Epcot, who cares if it's EPCOT, Epcot, EPCOT Center, or the long name.
Some questions I have to ask you guys:
What was in Test Track and Mission Space before?
For Space Mountain, I hear they are doing a 21st Century thing. How will it change?
Is that Heart place open in Epcot? It was closed
when I was there in May.
How much did Test Track cost?
For the three talked about rides in this "other" topic you guys created, Disney movies are sometimes scary. Didn't Snow White have something to do with a heart in the actual movie? The queen told the hunter to bring her heart back. If you can handle that, you can handle Snow White The Ride.
I know that we are talking about how scary it is, but I just to want to add something about in which it is a popular ride also. In May, I was over there, and they roped off the area by the carousel due to the fireworks show. What ride did all the people run to? I thought no one would go on it, but I was wrong. It was such a crowded ride. Peter Pan was another crowded ride.
For AE, I never liked that ride to begin with. It was pitch black, and had a pointless story in my opinion.
Stich makes sense.
The last one you guys talked about is Test Track. It was a very different ride. Did I die to keep going back on it though? The answer would be no. The reason for this is because it's just like going in a car except the cold, heat, and the crash part. However, I think that they did a good job as a whole with the scenery, the unique obstacles, and the expressway feel. If I was Walt Disney, I would be very happy with that attraction.
"I've been staring at the world, waiting. All the trouble and all the pain we're facing. Too much light to be livin' in the dark. Why waste time? We only got one life. Together we can be the CHANGE. So go and let your heart burn bright"
Thank you vu, for providing a valid opinion, and explaining it. To answer some of your questions-
TT replaced World of Motion, and Mission Space replaced Horizons. Both were elaborately themed rides, similar to Spaceship Earth. All three rides are packed with AA's, and all three deal with the past, present and future of different themes. World of Motion dealt with motion and travel, Horizons talked about habitats and living, and Spaceship Earth deals with communication. The only thing I can compare WoM and Horizons to Spaceship earth. They were immersive enviornments that had the attention to detail that makes disney rides great. The rides didn't have a story in the traditional sense... in fact they were more like watching a documentary. THey showed you the story of their theme in an educational manner. Test Track tried to tell a linear story, similar to Disney darkrides, and failed because of it. All of the original Epcot future world pavillions dealt with subject matter in the documentary sense, and that's part of the reason why TT was such a departure from the original disney plan for Futureworld. Instead of educating, it tried to thrill. Instead of teaching the story of motion, it put riders in a story that involved motion. It was clear that they went cheap by forgoing elaborate show sets, and aiming the ride solely toward thrills.
To be clear on space mountain, that's the Space Mountain in DL. In all honesty though, I haven't been following it and I'm not sure what's going on.
Not sure what you mean by "heart place". The only thing I can think of is Body Wars, and to my knowledge, that's still open. Don't quote me on that though, as I haven't been to the park in a couple years.
I always ask how much test track cost, and I never get a straight answer. I've heard the joke that the bill was delivered to Eisner's doorstep in a whale tank. I'm hoping Chimike will know the answers to more of your questions.
Alright first off to everybody, the "trio" is right about the EPCOT Epcot thing, I don't think its really that big of a deal but whatever...
I'd like to ask you, Virtua Tennis, to put up or shut up.
I'm not trying to start a fight, since there is such demand by you guys to go into exruciating detail about how Test Track is a good Disney ride I will..
They tried to create a background story, and then convey it with the ride, but the flaws in the story's plausibility hurt the ride, especially considering it was something they were going after. I posted a simple example of how the rides story was flawed, and you chose that as your basis for a counterpoint.
What's the backround story supposed to be? Your supposed to be testing out a GM car and are put through the Test Track.....I thaught the track was very well done.
The ride feels like it's taking place in a warehouse. It make use of gimmicky tactics like pretending to slam you into a wall, and going over obstacles to "thrill" the rider, while forgoing any sort of believable linear story
Wheres the Test Track supposed to be, in the Chicago Loop or something? As far as going over obstacles, the temperature chanbers, the hill climbs, and the no anti lock and anti lock brake testing was cool..Gimmick tacktics like slamming into a wall? Uhm, crash test, thats pretty much what everyone is anticipating after the pre-show, no better way to thrill riders than making them go right to a wall at 50mph and then have it open up and go around the building into an area that cant be seen at 65mph highway type thing for the high speed test. So this doesn't convince you that your pretty much in a test car going through real car tests and a 65mph finish isn't good enough for you that's not my problem, it's a great ride to me and mostly everyone else that rides it.
You also failed to address the issues of the ride failing to live up to disney tradition. Unless you can explain what you're saying, I'm going to have to assume you were in fact trying to steer the discussion away from the discussion between you and chimike, and into a discussion where more people would take your side because you seem incapable of backing up anything you say.
If what I just said is not good enough for you just shutup because your "Test Track doesn't live up to Disney standards" thing doesn't really seem to be fooling anyone.
Do you really think Test Track will be around as long as Haunted Mansion, Pirates of the Caribbean, Splash Mountain, Tower of Terror, Space Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain, Matterhorn, and all the Disney Dark Rides? The answer is NO. It will become outdated just as Alien Encounter did and will be replaced because they do not put as much time and effort into the rides like they used to. All Eisner cares about is the price tag. If the ride is expensive it has to be good. This is the reasoning that is killing Disney. The above listed rides are all Disney Classics because they are timeless. Test Track will be replaced quicker that any of the listed rides.
This has gotten a little crazy ... Instead of arguing points it seems that it has resorted to some sort of click arguement.
In a few minutes I will start a new thread to discuss M:S and TT. I will be more then happy to share my perspective with those who would like to discuss.
Thanks.
Last edited by chimike on August 19th, 2004, 9:06 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Virtua Tennis, I'm saddened that your selective reading ablitity is preventing your from taking part in an otherwise good discussion. I explained alot of my initial points in latter posts, namely, how it failed to live up to disney tradition. I'm also dismayed that you would accuse me of trying to "fool" people by telling them TT doesn't live up to disney standards. Not trying to fool anyone, as doing so would require me to pass off some sort of lie as truth. Considering the fact that almost anyone can see that TT was a rather unorthodox disney ride, I don't believe I was trying to fool anyone. And of course, let's not forget it was your attempt to flaunt your knowledge and "fool" everyone into thinking you were smarter than you were (I'll admit it may have been a subconcious decision) that got this tangent off in the first place.
That said, I would like to thank you for explaining your view on test track a little bit more, although it would have been nice if you would have showed some independent thought instead of just taking my points and telling me why they're wrong.
MGM Studios: Tower of Terror (with Rockin Roller Coaster in close secand)
Animal Kingdom: Kilamajaros Safari
(might of spelled that wrong. If I did. Sorry)
^I wasn't expecting that. You caught me off-guard. LOL No, actually that's good. For new posters on this topic, if you don't want to discuss the ordealings of some of the rides, you can still list your favorites. I encourage you to list your favorites, so we can compare them.
Right now, it looks like Tower of Terror is winning for MGM/ Disney Studios.
VT, since you are over there (I believe that you are at least.), is the Body Wars place still open at the E place?
"I've been staring at the world, waiting. All the trouble and all the pain we're facing. Too much light to be livin' in the dark. Why waste time? We only got one life. Together we can be the CHANGE. So go and let your heart burn bright"
I don't understand what is so "wrong" with Test Track. The theming is top-notch, like any other Disney ride, and when i was there, which was last year, the line was well over an hour long. I believe that Test Track is one of the rides that people say "Epcot? Isn't that cool car ride there? Yeah, Test Track, that's a really fun ride." Also, someone said that it shouldn't take place in a warehouse. Now, if a car isn't tested in a warehouse, then where the hell is a car tested? Someone please answer me that question.
'' If u commited suicide, u wouldn't be here anymore'' - Gangsta Fruit
I have to add some things. This is all in my opinion.
For Test Track: One thing that really bothered me is the fact that they didn't have the "crash dummies" either in the ride, or in person. Yes, it sounds stupid, and yet Disney might not own the rights, but what better way could you introduce a ride that deals with a ride crashing, and tests than through the "crash dummies."
If you say this would not be a Disney style ride (with them in it), how? Peter Pan, Snow White, Winnie the Pooh, Dumbo, Buzz Lightyear, and others thrive on this. In the video of Walt at the MGM/Disney Studios, he said that he built the park so that he would have some place to go with his kids. WDW flourishes in this idea. The "Crash Dummies" would be people/dummies that "kids" can relate to.
For my other complaint of TT, I would have to say that the GM auto show is just stupid to have next to a ride.
For the scariest ride at WDW, I would have to say It's Tough To Be A Bug. This ride/show freaked me out and I'm past 13. And I'm the one that laughed at Jason at SFGAm.
"I've been staring at the world, waiting. All the trouble and all the pain we're facing. Too much light to be livin' in the dark. Why waste time? We only got one life. Together we can be the CHANGE. So go and let your heart burn bright"
Do you really think Test Track will be around as long as Haunted Mansion, Pirates of the Caribbean, Splash Mountain, Tower of Terror, Space Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain, Matterhorn, and all the Disney Dark Rides? The answer is NO. It will become outdated just as Alien Encounter did and will be replaced because they do not put as much time and effort into the rides like they used to. All Eisner cares about is the price tag. If the ride is expensive it has to be good. This is the reasoning that is killing Disney. The above listed rides are all Disney Classics because they are timeless. Test Track will be replaced quicker that any of the listed rides.
I think i'm starting to understand what you mean.
Test Track may not have all the millions of things the 'classics' do in the backround to give that 'you see something new every ride feel' but the ride so good anyway I don't really mind.
I haven't been to WDW in a really long time but when I was there at Epcot I really enjoyed the Norway ride. Also, I really liked the figment ride - I don't recall its name. When I was there, Space Mountain was about the most thrilling ride you could get on. I was there in the early '90s.
Unfortuantley you guys runied this topic by crying and whining back and forth. Stick to the topic subject please. If you want to complain at each other, do it through private messages or email. Nobody likes it when a topic that was going to spark some "intelligent" conversation degenerates into immaturity.
Remember, once you post a topic and invite others to reply, it is no longer your topic, it becomes everyones.
I love Disney, know A LOT about the theme parks, and like it when Disney topics come up, but I hate it when somebody wants to flaunt their knowledge so much just to stroke their ego. So dont screw it up again.
Back on track kids!
My favorites:
Magic Kingdom:
Dark Ride: PotC
Coaster: BTMRR
Other: Walt Disney World Railroad
Disney Studios:
Rides in General:
1st. Tower of Terror
2nd. Rock 'n' Roller Coaster
Epcot:
1st: Mission Space
2nd: Test Track
3rd: Ice Station Cool (free soda, how can it fail)
4th: American Adventure (just go see it, its impressive)
Animal Kingdom:
Dinosaur
General Transportation:
1st. Staten Island Style Ferry Boats to the Magic Kingdom. (I dont know why, but I like them better than the Monorail. But the Monorail is a great ride as well)
2nd. WDW Monorail System.
3rd. Parking Lot Trams
4th. Buses. I hate the buses.
Waterparks: Blizzard Beach is the best.
Club at Pleasure Island: Motion
Favorite show at any of the parks: Hall of Presidents at the MK
Can we get deeper, sure can!
Favorite Restaraunt: Crystal Palace, Main Street USA, Magic Kingdom
Favorite Pyrotechnic Display: Fantasmic @ Disney Studios
Favorite Parade: Electrical Water Pageant on Bay Lake and Seven Seas Lagoon.
Favorite Resort Hotel: Wilderness Lodge
Favorite Defunct Attraction: Mr Toads Wild Ride
Most Annoying: "its a small world" (but its a classic, nothing beats it there)
When I was at Epcot Friday it was like Test Track was in rehab but open. Some of the parts were off for repairs, one of the giant posters was down (they were being replaced), part of the queue was taped off for some reason or other...the ride seemed a bit jerkier than normal and was almost stopping at random parts.
..wasn't Test Track's best day.
Virtua Tennis wrote:When I was at Epcot Friday it was like Test Track was in rehab but open. Some of the parts were off for repairs, one of the giant posters was down (they were being replaced), part of the queue was taped off for some reason or other...the ride seemed a bit jerkier than normal and was almost stopping at random parts. ..wasn't Test Track's best day.
Test Track has always involved sudden stops and accelerations; some of it is due to the pacing between cars and some of it is simply due to the inherent ride. Test Track's stop and go nature is nothing compared to what one had to endure on Rocket Rods. JTTCE so far is the best use of the ride system. Test Track also can be considered one of the most unreliable attractions on Disney property. Much worse then 20K was. It frequently has downtimes.
MK:
1st- Haunted Mansion
2nd (Tie) between Splash Mountain and Space Mt.
AK:
1st- Dinosaur
2nd- Primeval Whirl
**Possibly soon to change with Expedition Everest in '06!
Epcot:
1st- TT (I don't care what anyone says about Disney Touch or what not)
2nd- Body Wars
MGM:
1st- ToT
2nd- Rock N' Rollercoaster
Waterpark was River Country, but since that is no longer open to the public, I'd say BB.
As far as the Alien Encounter issue...I'm glad it's gone! I believe it was a waste of an attration and 10 min of my day at MK.
When I went on it (Jan. 2002) there was a sign at the entrance that did state that it was an attraction that used certian special effects, took place in portions of darkness, and whatnot, but ended saying that the attraction may not be suitable for younger children.
Before I begin, let me just warn everyone that I am a WDW fanatic..lol. I go there every other summer or so, and can probably go on forever as to why it is my favorite place to go on vacation.
Favorites:
Magic Kingdom
Rides
1. Space Mountain. I love dark rides. And this one, while it is older and really doesn't have any extreme drops or anything, is great.
2. BTMRR. I have no real heavy reasons behind liking this ride. I just do..lol. I can't explain it too well, I just like it.
3. Pirates "yo ho yo ho, a pirates life for me" enough said.
Shows
1. Mickey's Philharmagic.
2. The Enchanted Tiki Room
3. Country Bear Jamboree
Disney/MGM Studios ( I will call it that FOREVER, kinda like I refer to the Allstate Arena as the Rosemont Horizon)
Rides
1. Rock n Rollercoaster. Best. Ride. EVER. Probably because of the blaring music and the awesome theme. The lights. The signs, etc. All of that makes it fun. I could ride it over and over again and not get bored.
2. Tower of Terror. It is a very unique ride. And while the pre-ride show gets old fast, the new random drop sequence adds a new element of fun to the ride.
3. The Great Movie Ride. I get to sing along like a dork. And I get to escape the humid Florida weather. Those are reasons enough for me.
Shows
1. Who Wants to Be A Millionaire
2. Beauty and the Beast.
3. Muppet Vision 3D. I LOVED the Muppets as a child. This gives me a chance to revisit my childhood.
EPCOT (which, without restarting an argument, DOES stand for "Environmental Prototype Community of Tomorrow" if you don't believe me, go to MGM and see "One Man's Dream." Not only do they talk about it there, but if you look at the model of Spaceship Earth it states it in the description)
Rides
1. Imagination. I LOVE FIGMENT!! I have ever since my first trip to EPCOT when I was 3. He is just the cutest little thing I have ever seen. (well, aside from the little fuzzy orange alien from AE, who's name I cannot remember )
2. Test Track. The last element of that ride is awesome.
3. The Maelstrom (the boat ride in Norway). Not too exciting, but I like hearing about my heritage.
Shows
1. Honey I Shrunk the Audience. The "mice" come out, I curl into a ball and scream..lol. Yeah, I know, they are fake. But it catches me off guard every time.
2. The Circle of Life. The Lion King is my favorite Disney movie. I collect all sorts of memorabilia. A trip to WDW, for me, would not be complete without seeing this show.
Animal Kingdom
(I really do not care for this park too much)
1. Dinosaur. Even though I KNOW everything is fake, I still jump every time one of the big dinosaurs pops out.
Shows
1. It's Tough to Be A Bug. I saw that for the first time during my recent trip to WDW. The little "bugs" leaving the theater before the rest of us made me jump out of my seat. Yet again, I realize it is fake, but it kind of surprised me that's all. 2. The Festival of the Lion King. I like it for the same reason I like The Circle of Life.
As far as the waterparks are concerned. I haven't been to either in a long time. Because I get the option to either drive over to the ocean for a day, or go to a waterpark. And the ocean always wins, because I can always just go to Magic Waters or Noah's Ark anytime during the summer. But before the ocean day trips started Typhoon Lagoon was my favorite. I enjoy a tropical beach setting more than I enjoy a winter gone bad setting.
And then off Disney property, but still in the Orlando area, the Hulk over at IOA is a GREAT coaster. I screamed like a baby the one and only time I went on it (I've only been to IOA once). I also liked the Dueling Dragons. I don't remember which of the two I went on, but I remember it was a lot of fun.
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