What is your favorite Walt Disney Ride/Show at each park?
MAGIC KINGDOM
My favorite ride there would have to be a rollercoaster. Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, followed by Splash Mountain, and the Country Bears.
EPCOT
The top two that most people would like (Test Track and Mission To Space), I'm not a crazed fan over these two. I actually like two weird rides/show. Food Rocks WAS my favorite show while the dragon (I forget the name of the dragon) is my favorite ride there.
MGM/DISNEY STUDIOS
Tower of Terror even though I have despised the video since the first time I saw it. Let me get in line for the ride already. The other big one is the Little Mermaid show. She's hot!!!! Besides that, it's a good show.
ANIMAL KINGDOM
I liked Dinosaur or It's Tough To Be A Bug. The last time I was there, Dinosaur was closed for remodeling though.
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"I've been staring at the world, waiting. All the trouble and all the pain we're facing. Too much light to be livin' in the dark. Why waste time? We only got one life. Together we can be the CHANGE. So go and let your heart burn bright"
Magic Kingdom:
Close race between Space and Splash, Splash maybe just edges it. Pirates is just a short incomplete version of Disneylands, Hauntend Mansion and Buzz come close for 3rd and 4th. I also like Peter Pans Flight a lot.
Snow White is terrible, instead of taking out Alien Encounter (which was meant to be a "scary ride") they should've gotten rid of SW. I only went on it once, which was plenty. The ride is dark, gothic, the witch keeps popping out, and the only places I actually saw Snow White was at the begginning with the birds and when she's lying dead. This fantasy land attraction, scared the crap out of a lot of little kids .
Experimental Prototype Community of Tommorrow:
Test Track, hopefully tryin out Mission Space Friday or Saturday.
Disney Studios:
Rockin' Rollercoater.
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Virtua Tennis wrote:Experimental Prototype Community of Tommorrow: Test Track, hopefully tryin out Mission Space Friday or Saturday.
Disney Studios: TZ:ToT.
First, just as an FYI, Epcot has never been called the Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow. That was what Walt referred to Project Florida as and only a version of the Phase I plans for Project Florida (or Project X) ever materialized as The Magic Kingdom/Walt Disney World. As you indirectly alluded to E.P.C.O.T. was an acronym that Walt used for that name. However, upon opening in 1982 it was officially name EPCOT Center since it was a far cry from what Walt had planned for, and in 1982 all of Walt Disney World was an embodiment of the acronym E.P.C.O.T. So this park was the "Center" of Walt Disney World -or- E.P.C.O.T.
In 1994, in effort to further destroy Future World by distancing themselves from futurism in both Future World and MK's Tomorrowland, they changed the official name of the park from EPCOT Center to Epcot '94. They later dropped the year and kept it as simply Epcot. They also did this because at that point of time outside parties were using the term/acronym EPCOT without the permission of the Walt Disney Corporation; often profiting on it. They trademarked "Epcot" as a noun and now name of the park. So today Epcot (not all capitalized and not as an acronym) is the name and it is a proper noun.
Knowing a fraction of all this, one would never refer to the park as you did.
Also, Disney still does have licensing rights to MGM properties outside of James Bond.
Virtua Tennis wrote:Magic Kingdom: Snow White is terrible, instead of taking out Alien Encounter (which was meant to be a "scary ride") they should've gotten rid of SW. I only went on it once, which was plenty. The ride is dark, gothic, the witch keeps popping out, and the only places I actually saw Snow White was at the begginning with the birds and when she's lying dead. This fantasy land attraction, scared the crap out of a lot of little kids .
This also appears to be a faulty statement. The showbuilding for Snow White is very small. It is smaller then the old Mr. Toad's Wild Ride space and was one of the minor reasons Pooh specifically evicted Toad. Stitch's Great Escape was specifically designed for the Alien Encounter/Mission to Mars/Flight to the Moon theaters. Even before that space was earmarked for a refurbishment; the majority of the pitched Stitch concepts from WDI were for a show and not a dark-ride. There isn't much that could go into Snow White's footprint other than another small dark-ride.
Snow White's Scary Adventure, ironically, used to be scarier and actually had no appearances of Snow White. Originally, it was an attraction where the Wicked Queen (NOT A WITCH) in her peddler disguise jumped out at the ride vehicle. In 1994 it was tamed down with the removal of the old peddler woman figures and saw Snow White finally appear in the attraction. It was renamed from Snow White's Adventure to Snow White's Scary Adventure to be of further warning to parents. The Wicked Queen appeared in a new format through the attraction. The attraction is nowhere as close to a 'haunted dark-ride' any longer and now has the rider observing Snow White instead of pre-94, "Being Snow White"
I would suggest that the attraction is loved by a much larger majority then you fit in with. It wasn't designed for those who enjoy Batman or Demon. I don't see it leaving anytime soon. More people know and recognize Snow White then those who even know SFGAm exists on the planet Earth.
Since you know a lot about WDW, where's your favorites.
I like the Snow White ride too. They need more of her in the ride, but what can you do. Maybe, you can tell I like some of Disney's characters. She's another hottie. Belle, Sleeping Beauty, and Pochantas are also included in that list. Cinderalla, yuck.
"I've been staring at the world, waiting. All the trouble and all the pain we're facing. Too much light to be livin' in the dark. Why waste time? We only got one life. Together we can be the CHANGE. So go and let your heart burn bright"
Virtua Tennis wrote:Experimental Prototype Community of Tommorrow: Test Track, hopefully tryin out Mission Space Friday or Saturday.
Disney Studios: TZ:ToT.
First, just as an FYI, Epcot has never been called the Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow
While i'm told this all the time, I don't really care. It may not be the way Walt had visioned, but after I heard it it just kinda stuck..
Snow White's Scary Adventure, ironically, used to be scarier and actually had no appearances of Snow White. Originally, it was an attraction where the Wicked Queen (NOT A WITCH) in her peddler disguise jumped out at the ride vehicle. In 1994 it was tamed down with the removal of the old peddler woman figures and saw Snow White finally appear in the attraction. It was renamed from Snow White's Adventure to Snow White's Scary Adventure to be of further warning to parents. The Wicked Queen appeared in a new format through the attraction. The attraction is nowhere as close to a 'haunted dark-ride' any longer and now has the rider observing Snow White instead of pre-94, "Being Snow White"
I would suggest that the attraction is loved by a much larger majority then you fit in with. It wasn't designed for those who enjoy Batman or Demon. I don't see it leaving anytime soon. More people know and recognize Snow White then those who even know SFGAm exists on the planet Earth.
Uhm, when did I say Snow White is terrible because I like B:TR and Demon? When the rides made for families with little kids, it shouldn't be the gothic style junk it is now (i'd be fine with a few scenes, but the whole freggin ride?). It doesn't matter how messed up it used to be, when many kids come off crying from the witch and no Snow White in every scene, it's got to be taken care of.
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Virtua Tennis wrote:While it may be not exactly what Walt had planned on, while it is Epcot instead of EPCOT, I still enjoy calling it EPCOT.
meh.. To each his own, but I wouldn't want to be walking around incorrectly referring to something. It's like walking around saying that Demon has 4 loops. Would you like that or would you snicker?
Virtua Tennis wrote:Uhm, when did I say Snow White is terrible because I like B:TR and Demon?
Nice spin. I didn't say you did. I was giving a comparison on how not all rides are targeted or geared for every person. There are concepts called "taste" and "preference"
Virtua Tennis wrote:When the rides made for families with little kids, it shouldn't be the gothic style junk it is now (i'd be fine with a few scenes, but the whole freggin ride?). It doesn't matter how messed up it used to be, when many kids come off crying from the witch and no Snow White in every scene, it's got to be taken care of.
I think you haven't had nearly the amount of exposure to the attraction if that is your feeling towards it. In this case I feel that your opinion lacks any perspective based in experience. In one day I could see 600 kids coming off the attraction wanting to ride again before I would see any child exhibiting any sort of befuddlement. My two year old daughter used to ride and love the attraction.
As for "Gothic style junk" I will let your comment speak for itself.
There is not one Disney dark ride that has the title character in every scene.
And for the second time, in case you have problems with reading comprehension, there is no witch in the Snow White Story. She is titled as the Wicked Queen and is officially labeled as "Peddler Woman" for her portrayal in disguise. I think you might be confusing yourself with Wizard of Oz.
Virtua Tennis wrote:While it may be not exactly what Walt had planned on, while it is Epcot instead of EPCOT, I still enjoy calling it EPCOT.
Virtua Tennis wrote:While i'm told this all the time, I don't really care. It may not be the way Walt had visioned, but after I heard it it just kinda stuck..
Above is what you originally said, and below is your "sly" edit of what you said. Initially, you didn't call it EPCOT, you called it-
Virtua Tennis wrote:Experimental Prototype Community of Tommorrow
And, you didn't call it that because you enjoy calling it that, you called it
Virtua Tennis wrote:Experimental Prototype Community of Tommorrow
because you were trying to flaunt you Disney "knowledge". You tried to act smart, and it ended up blowing up in your face. Instead of trying to defend your mistake by covering your tracks, try to learn from it and move on.
As far as your assessment of Snow White goes, there's nothing I can say about it that hasn't already been said by Chimike. Specifically, no Disney attraction features the title character in every scene, and hundreds of kids leave the attraction each day happy with the it and wanting a reride.
As far as the ride being too scary, and not have a happy ending, I'll quote a paragraph from Mouse Under Glass describing what was originally intended.
"The new Snow White's Scary Adventure starts off on a happy, musical note in the Dwarfs' cottage before plunging guests into terror. Yet, the Imagineers still didn't have enough room for the planned last scene designed to finally give the ride a happy ending. They wanted to end with the prince on horseback, the Dwarfs going up a bridge and Snow White above on the bridge. Instead, as in its original form, the witch dies and the story stops cold. Artists grudginly painted a sign reading "And they lived happily ever after..." Oh, well, they must have figured, at least it's better than Mr. Toad's Wild Ride, which ends by sending all the riders to Hell. But there would be a happy ending. Nine years later, the Imagineers installed an exact replica of the Snow White attraction at Euro Disneyland, but with the final scene intact."
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As I said, I rode it it once, and that was enough. Never, NEVER have I seen so many kids screaming and crying from the wicked queen (i'll give you that one, lol). Most all the kids were 6 and under, which seems to be a vast majority of attendance at Magic. Some old guy kept saying "where the hell is Snow White?" I also exited Space Mountain behind a family then both went and rode Snow White's Adventures and the kid had panic attacks from the queen and other "scary" props throughout the ride.
People see the cute fluffy outside and then ride it and end up thinking "woah wtf was that?"
CoastermanJro, I was editing my second post when Chimike was posting his, I didn't like the way mine was worded don't call it a sly edit cause he hadn't even said anything yet.
Virtua Tennis wrote:\ The ride is dark, gothic, the witch keeps popping out, and the only places I actually saw Snow White was at the begginning with the birds and when she's lying dead. This fantasy land attraction, scared the crap out of a lot of little kids :lol.
First off the ride is supposed to be dark. Second, I really do not see the ride as being gothic. I guess Dopey looking down at you with those big ears is frightning. The ride accurately tells the story as seen in the movie. I have ridden the ride numerous times and I have never seen a kid come off crying. If a child is scared easily then parents should use their best judgement.
Disney does their homework and if the ride really recieved that many complaints they would deal with it, but obviously the attraction is still around for a reason.
Now my favorite attractions:
M.K. = Haunted Mansion
Epcot = Spaceship Earth
A.K = Countdown to Extinction (I still will not call it Dinosaur)
MGM = Tower of Terror
Disneyland = Matterhorn
DCA = Mulholland Madness (So much better than a spinner)
Virtua Tennis wrote:As I said, I rode it it once, and that was enough. Never, NEVER have I seen so many kids screaming and crying from the wicked queen (i'll give you that one, lol). Most all the kids were 6 and under, which seems to be a vast majority of attendance at Magic.
But that is the crux of my issue for you bringing Snow White up in the first place. While your isolated, individual experience showed kids being scared of Snow White's Scary Adventure, you stated that you rather see Snow White disappear in lieu of Alien Encounter, an attraction that frightened many, many, more of the MK's young patrons. An attraction that Disney officially admitted was too scary for the majority of their young park guests.
That is what confuses me. You feel Snow White is inappropriate for the MK because of it's ""scare"" factor, but wanted Alien Encounter to stay.
I would once again suggest that some people like Batman and other people like Snow White, and some people like both or neither.
Virtua Tennis wrote:Snow Whites a family attraction, Alien Encounter wasn't....which is why they took it out.
Well yeah, but knowing that, why did you then state that Snow White should have been removed in lieu of Alien Encounter
Virtua Tennis wrote:Snow White is terrible, instead of taking out Alien Encounter (which was meant to be a "scary ride") they should've gotten rid of SW.
>sigh< nevermind ......
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Because it was MEANT to be a scary ride. When people go on Snow White they're probably not expecting it to freak out their kids .
Disney did say AE was too scary, which is fine, they like almost all their rides so that the whole family can enjoy them (except the real little kids with the new e-tickets, even then the height requirements are short).
Now when a rides "target market" is real little kids, it shouldn't be freaking them out like a lot of kids do on Snow White because of all the loud scary effects and the wicked queen popping out everywhere.
Virtua Tennis wrote:Because it was MEANT to be a scary ride. When people go on Snow White they're probably not expecting it to freak out their kids .
Let me >sigh< again because I think you want the last word.
Let me just say that it is now called,
"Snow White's Scary Adventure"
At Disneyland, they purposely designed the queue to emphasize the scary tone.
All of that said, it doesn't negate the flaws in your original statements and it doesn't negate the facts that Snow White operates (while as a less popular FaL attraction) as an attraction with almost no complaints.
Msot people that go to WDW with kids have seen Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. The last ten minutes of that movie is dark and could be scary for children. They took the movie and made it an attraction. If your child is scared of the movie then it isn't a good idea to bring them on the ride. All kids react differently to different things. I am sure some kids find Peter Pans Flight scary. I think you have to base your opinions on more than one experience.
Virtua Tennis wrote:Disney did say AE was too scary, which is fine, they like almost all their rides so that the whole family can enjoy them (except the real little kids with the new e-tickets, even then the height requirements are short). Now when a rides "target market" is real little kids, it shouldn't be freaking them out like a lot of kids do on Snow White because of all the loud scary effects and the wicked queen popping out everywhere.
Sorry for the double post but VT keeps appending his original posts.
First, some of the recent Disney thrill rides still have a 44 height requirement which is standard for many OTSR rides such as Demon.
Second, you keep insisting that Snow White is terrifying children when I and others have offered that it doesn't. As having a first-hand knowledge of Walt Disney World and more specifically the Magic Kingdom, I can say that your isolated experience doesn't reflect reality.
Back to the reason for my original response to your statement. So do you still think Snow White should have been removed for Alien Encounter?
Virtua Tennis wrote:Snow Whites a family attraction, Alien Encounter wasn't....which is why they took it out.
In your post, you almost seem to suggest that Alien Encounter was removed because it wasn't a family attraction. This statement is flawed, as AE's appeal to family had nothing to do with its removal. The reason AE was chosen over a ride like Snow White's Scary Adventure is because of it's dwindling attendance numbers. The attraction, being more of a show than an actual ride, lacked the rerideability that would keep it's attendance numbers high. This, coupled with the countless complaints from parents over their kids not being allowed to ride made Alien Encounter an obvious choice for removal. And, let's not ignore the facts that Stitch Encounter was designed specifically for the TL theaters, and that putting a character themed ride in which the main character happens to be an alien in tomorrowland does make a certain amount of sense.
Second, you keep insisting that Snow White is terrifying children when I and others have offered that it doesn't. As having a first-hand knowledge of Walt Disney World and more specifically the Magic Kingdom, I can say that your isolated experience doesn't reflect reality.
Back to the reason for my original response to your statement. So do you still think Snow White should have been removed for Alien Encounter?
While i'm glad for you your two year old took it in stride, I still think the ride is dark, gloomy, and the queen keeps popping out, from what I understand the ride was made for children...it's not my problem what they do with AE and Snow White and all that, but I think Snow White should have been taken out for Stitches Great Escape instead of Alien Encounter (and have a sign at Alien Enounters entrance that it is not reccomended for kids).
This arguments not going anywhere, i'm done arguing about Snow White, you find it acceptable for the audience the ride was made to go on I don't, thats not going to change.
It is good to see you back on the boards Coasterman Jro.
As sad as I was to see Alien Encounter go I realize that Stich has just become way to popular. Alien Encounter was getting outdated and I do not think Disney was too sad seeing an attraction affiliated with Lucas go. Their relationship has been strained and Lucas (who I agree with) wants money spent to upgrade his attractions (Star Tours). Alien Encounter put up good numbers, but Stich will put up better and Disney realized this.
VT again there was no way imaginable to put Stich into the Snow Whites show building. The building is too small and if they were to build up it would ruin Fantasyland
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Second, you keep insisting that Snow White is terrifying children when I and others have offered that it doesn't. As having a first-hand knowledge of Walt Disney World and more specifically the Magic Kingdom, I can say that your isolated experience doesn't reflect reality.
Back to the reason for my original response to your statement. So do you still think Snow White should have been removed for Alien Encounter?
While i'm glad for you your two year old took it in stride, I still think the ride is dark, gloomy, and the queen keeps popping out, from what I understand the ride was made for children...it's not my problem what they do with AE and Snow White and all that, but I think Snow White should have been taken out for Stitches Great Escape instead of Alien Encounter (and have a sign at Alien Enounters entrance that it is not reccomended for kids).
So you would want a Snow White attraction that isn't based on the heights of conflict present in the Snow White movie.
Hmm, well once again, it seems that you are in the minority because Disney has been fairly successful with "a" Snow White attraction for the last 54 years. It's already outlasted Alien Encounter by 45 years. Actions speak louder then words.
Soxman wrote:As sad as I was to see Alien Encounter go I realize that Stich has just become way to popular. Alien Encounter was getting outdated and I do not think Disney was too sad seeing an attraction affiliated with Lucas go. Their relationship has been strained and Lucas (who I agree with) wants money spent to upgrade his attractions (Star Tours).
VT again there was no way imaginable to put Stich into the Snow Whites show building. The building is too small and if they were to build up it would ruin Fantasyland
Lucas' involvement had nothing to do with the attraction's demise. Lucas was barely involved with AE; it was only to come in and adjust some of Imagineering's concepts. He quickly came in and then quickly became uninvolved. That didn't stop Disney's marketing juggernaut though.
What I would like to know is what is your problem with Test Track and Mission Space not being good Disney or thrill rides?
I'm going to WDW tommorrow and have been on Test Track in the past and thaught it was one of the most well done rides i've ever been on, anywhere, and i'm not expecting any less of Mission Space (or if I need to say it exactly right- Mission: SPACE)...what's wrong with them that makes them not qualify?
Besides that, it's a good show.
The ride accurately tells the story as seen in the movie. I have ridden the ride numerous times and I have never seen a kid come off crying. If a child is scared easily then parents should use their best judgement.
