Some people have said that some of the B&M's have many empty rows when they leave the station which don't include the broken ones. I've heard this many times, and seen it quite a couple of times.
So, why not incorporate a singles line for BTR, SUF, RB, and IW? RC and V2 would also be good for this. This way the ride lines will move much faster.
When this topic finishes, someone will probably want all the coasters to have a singles line, but those six are more of a problem than the other 7. So, comments/questions, posting.
Last edited by Ilovthevu' on August 18th, 2004, 11:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Maybe not a dedicated line, but just have an attendant let any solo riders move to the front of the line. (Same goes for groups of two getting paired with groups of two)
watch...groups of kids will start to wait in the singles line and pretend they are single riders, but end up getting in line faster than everyone else.
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The singles line wouldn't be a specific row, such as row 5. It would be an extra line, separate from the rest of the queue for as long as possible (sort of like FastLane). For it to work properly, an attendant would have to seat the single riders, making sure that they really are single riders.
sixflagsguy5 wrote:I think they wouldnt do that, because then people could wait 5 minutes instead of 60. They have singles lines at IOA i think.
I think the real point is that some rides are going six people empty or more per each train. This may not mean much, but it sure adds up. For the sixth train on RB, you have a full train empty. Let's say that three trains take 10 minutes to be sent, loaded and come back.
So, in pretend figures, that would be 18 trains per hour. So, every sixth one would be empty (You have six empty seats for first train, six from second train go to first and you have 12 empty seats for the second train, and the pattern continues until the sixth train is empty.) which would mean about 36 x 3 (18/6=3) = 108 people per hour.
If you don't understand the calculation, that's fine. The point is you will have quite a bit of people waiting in line when they already could be on it.
"I've been staring at the world, waiting. All the trouble and all the pain we're facing. Too much light to be livin' in the dark. Why waste time? We only got one life. Together we can be the CHANGE. So go and let your heart burn bright"
I have been thinking about a single line at some rides for a long time, just to fill the train to capacity because i hate it when i see a row with only two or three people in it. I dont think it would take too much longer for the train to load. if you had a ride op asking how many people lined up for each row, they could tell the single riders ahead of time which row.
One day on the iron wolf i counted all the empty seats and when you do the math there was 3 rows empty so i think single lines would make the lines move faster because the hole train would be filled at one time but what about the front row?
They should also use the single line for the front row. It would help both parties (single riders and non-single riders). For the non, they wouldn't have to wait as long, and would know the story for the single riders.
On Test Track at Walt Disney World, I noticed that they were doing this. Neither line was full (single or non), so we went in the regular line. It wouldn't matter to me when the park is empty and there are no lines. However, when the park is packed and 12 people out of 28 are missing out on a IW train, then it makes a difference.
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I have been asking for this for years. Universal and Disney both use single rider lines and they are very useful. Nothing kills me more than sitting in a line and seeing empty seats.
You get into a seperate line and ride ops tell people boarding to always move all the way across the row and single riders quickly can fill in the edges. Groups can do single rider if they want, but there is a chance they will not be on the same train as others in their party.
One problem Disney has been having is that groups will go single rider and then complain to cast memebers that they didn't know they couldn't ride together. Cast members not wanting to get written up will not argue and let them ride as a group. All you have to do is post signs and enforce the rule.
Both lines would move fast and capacity would go way up. Two of the biggest chain use it why can't Six Flags?
Single lines barely take any extra time. At BGW they had a single riders line for Apollo's Chariot. I used when my family didn't to ride. All the gates fill then a operator opens the single gate (which of course is manual) and points me to a seat. It ended up being really sweet. I got a walk on to the first row while if I was with a group it would have taken 20 minutes. Though this really isnt fair, it does bump capacity.
We wouldn't have the need for single rider lines if some ops could just do some grouping. Many do, but others just see empty rows and don't care.(The line is long.)
The only rides that could use a single rider line are Raging Bull, Batman, Giant Drop, Superman, and Iron Wolf. The use of it on any other coaster or ride would just be pointless(2 seats per row). Also, most of those rides would have a hard time adding another line.
Any ride vehicle that has three or more seats per row, or inline seating, is better off for having single rider lines.
For a practical application to SFGAM, some of the Fastlane queues would still be too cumbersome to meld single rider lines with. Single rider lines need to have direct access to the station house. Everytime it has been combined with a queue that backs-up, it has failed and been removed, e.g. IJA @ Disneyland. More than likely, it would have to be the reworking of the exits. Something that would be a nightmare considering how many exits currently bunch up with a plethora of special access guests.
The park's patrons have been spoiled as of late with low waits on most of the coasters, but for long-term planning Single Rider lines would be a huge win for the park and the guest. It would have to regulated strictly by operations and could be used for:
Whizzer - for completely empty seats - could use Fastlane
Raging Bull - would need to use exit
Giant Drop - could use Fastlane
Deja Vu - would need to use exit
Iron Wolf - could use Fastlane but it would be very awkward in an already cramped load. Should use exit.
Batman - would need to use exit
Roaring Rapids - could use Fastlane
Superman - Might be able to use Fastlane, but more than likely need to use exit.
Rides like Loggers Run and Yankee Clipper don't need single riders because they do still have dedicated groupers. Roaring Rapids would still benefit from a single riders line because a grouper isn't going to constantly maximize efficiency for the 10 seats.
So with that list, practically speaking, 5 of the rides would need a major queue re-work or have to route up the exit. Something I don't see happening in the immediate future.
As an efficiency spaz, I certainly would welcome Single Riders lines, especially on Batman, Superman, and Deja Vu.
Also to address Soxman's point, the ride-ops would need to be assured that they can strictly enforce the single rider queues or the whole system would fail like it did at Splash Mountain/DL. The problem with a guest service operation like Disney's is that a guest would be upset because a CM would not allow them to abuse the single rider line, so the guest would turn-around and dishonestly go to guest relations and complain about being spoken rudely to. It appears that Guest Relations is now asking the right questions to avoid this sort of guest retribution
DejaVu doesn't and would not be able to use a single rider line. For one, it's rows are in fact 2 across, and 2, it has a blocker, who should in fact pair single riders to the same row.
Single Rider lines would just create confusion and a mess.
Chimike: Why would you have to use the exit? All the single rider has to do is wait in line and when that person gets to the station gets in the "single" line. I think it wouldn't take that much rework of few stations to add a single rider line.
DejaVu The Ride wrote:DejaVu doesn't and would not be able to use a single rider line. For one, it's rows are in fact 2 across, and 2, it has a blocker, who should in fact pair single riders to the same row.
Single Rider lines would just create confusion and a mess.
This is incorrect.
The grouper does not find single people to fill single seats. The grouper, correctly; keeps parties spread out, keeps the station from forming deep lines, and making sure each airgate has some-sort of group waiting behind it. As someone who has stood in hour lines for the ride and has had nothing better to do than observe the operations of the crew and coaster, I can elaborate on over 50 times I have seen an empty seat somewhere on the train. So, by it's nature, a Single Rider Line would improve efficiency with or without a grouper/blocker.
Groupers did help (on most rides) efficiency when they were widely used. However, they never aided to the effect on efficiency that Single Rider Lines now allow.
Lastly, all seats on DejaVu are accessible to guests from load or unload, I think your comments of doom and gloom are a little overboard.
Single rider lines would be just as adequate for DejaVu as they would be in YOUR mentioning of Iron Wolf, in which, in my opinion, would be a larger mess. As I mentioned, there is no current ride that could handle Single Riders lines in a great fashion. That doesn't mean it can't or won't happen and it certainly doesn't mean that DejaVu isn't a very viable candidate.
The Beast wrote:Chimike: Why would you have to use the exit? All the single rider has to do is wait in line and when that person gets to the station gets in the "single" line. I think it wouldn't take that much rework of few stations to add a single rider line.
A good question:
From my experience, you cannot meld the single rider lines with a bypass queue like Fastpass or Fastlane if that queue does not directly enter the station. You can't ever mix a single rider into a queue with regular riders whether they be Fastlane (already merged) or standby. You can't do this because there is nothing to instruct the RideOps that the person does not get to enter the ride as part of a normal party, but, as someone who is restricted to an available single seat that can't be filled using Fastlane or Standby. Everytime it has been tried the system has been overrun with abuse.
A Single Rider Line needs direct access to a station to keep the single rider pool or riders available for when the RideOp needs them. A single rider line must keep the single riders in a distinctive area where they don't hold up or hold back the other lines. So in this case, for SFGAm, without a serious reworking of the queues, if the program was adopted it would need to use the exits of the rides. Something that would cause headaches.
Epcot's TestTrack is a good example of how single riders are kept isolated and then brought into Load. Spiderman is another example but not as effective. Disneyland's attractions have used the current exits for the attractions including DCA's California Screamin'.
I hate mesiness and bottlenecks. I hate em I hate em I hate em, ish.
To accomodate FastLane, singles, and handicapped riders in my opinion they'd have to either build a seperate path. The exits are much to thin to accomodate 2 lines (handicap and singles, in different lanes). Wheelchairs would never be able to get up. So they'd have to build a new lane up to the exit side of the station.
Virtua Tennis wrote:I hate mesiness and bottlenecks. I hate em I hate em I hate em, ish. To accomodate FastLane, singles, and handicapped riders in my opinion they'd have to either build a seperate path. The exits are much to thin to accomodate 2 lines (handicap and singles, in different lanes). Wheelchairs would never be able to get up. So they'd have to build a new lane up to the exit side of the station.
They have to do even more then that for either the exit OR entrance queue. As mentioned, it would take a ton of work to do it the RIGHT way. That doesn't mean they won't do it the WRONG way and simply route it through Fastlane or the Exit. That's if they adopt this program at all; which is a pure "what if"
I would love to see new queue structuring including better Fastlane queues and the addition of Single Rider Lines. I also would love to see a pie-in-the-sky mega park. I don't think either will happen.
DejaVu The Ride wrote:DejaVu doesn't and would not be able to use a single rider line. For one, it's rows are in fact 2 across, and 2, it has a blocker, who should in fact pair single riders to the same row.
Single Rider lines would just create confusion and a mess.
This is incorrect.
The grouper does not find single people to fill single seats. The grouper, correctly; keeps parties spread out, keeps the station from forming deep lines, and making sure each airgate has some-sort of group waiting behind it. As someone who has stood in hour lines for the ride and has had nothing better to do than observe the operations of the crew and coaster, I can elaborate on over 50 times I have seen an empty seat somewhere on the train. So, by it's nature, a Single Rider Line would improve efficiency with or without a grouper/blocker.
Groupers did help (on most rides) efficiency when they were widely used. However, they never aided to the effect on efficiency that Single Rider Lines now allow.
Lastly, all seats on DejaVu are accessible to guests from load or unload, I think your comments of doom and gloom are a little overboard.
Single rider lines would be just as adequate for DejaVu as they would be in YOUR mentioning of Iron Wolf, in which, in my opinion, would be a larger mess. As I mentioned, there is no current ride that could handle Single Riders lines in a great fashion. That doesn't mean it can't or won't happen and it certainly doesn't mean that DejaVu isn't a very viable candidate.
What I said is that the grouper should pair up single riders. Since the ride already usually has a grouper, than why not make that the way to increase capacity than making a whole other line just for single riders?
As others have said, single rider lines would just usually mean the use of more money and more staff. Great America doesn't have the resources to do so at this time. Yes, I know sometimes it would be nice, but it just isn't going to happen anytime soon.
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