Can you say, Hurricane Harbor?

[da rcman2001]

Whats so hard to believe? The thing goes really slow through the boomerang and if something goes wrong it'll have enough speed to get into it but not enough inercia to get the back of the car over on the way back to the station. The ride was a prototype and had a lot of problems back in the day. Even though they finally got it up and running correctly, it used to valley in the boomerang, and inbetween the loop and to boomerang. I remeber seeing the car dangle there for over a week onbe time before it was fixed once in 2001. The train also stops between the second lift and the loop but thats if the pully doesnt grab the tran and the emergency breaks stop it on the loop.

Now, the admission price. I seriously think it'll have one. I rspect everyones opinion on this toppic, but heres some reason I think it'll cost to get in. The parks that include it w/ admission are smaller parks. Parks like Kentucky Kingdom dont have a lot of attractions otherwise. SFNE has it for free, but their water park was free since Riverside owned it so I dont htink they would change it. I bet if they built it from scratch it would cost $25 to get in. Another reason is that SFOG, SFGAdv, and SFMM all have a seperate gate for their water parks. Seeing how MM and Gadv are both considered "big 4s" as far as six flags goes, and GAm also is top 4, I think it'll cost more. I didnt mention OG in the big 4 post because i am unsure of what the 4th park is. I think its over texas though.

[LaTiNoObSeSeDSFGAm]

Noone knows when the water park will open but in my opinion I think that it will open next year because look what they did to SWT.

[chimike]

If this is going to raise the Season Pass holder rates, I won't like it. I live on a nice, clean lake. The Gurnee Park District pool is less than 5 minutes away. Libertyville, Grayslake, and other nearby towns all have their own pools. Realistically, I see myself using it, maybe 0 times, the entire year. I go to Six Flags to go on rides, not to swim. Of course, that's just me, lots of other people, especially out of area people, will use it, and that will make $ for Six Flags.

That's just my two cents. Continue on.

Most parks offer an AP for each park and then a Deluxe AP offering for both parks combined. This occurs in Kansas City for Worlds of Fun and Oceans of Fun.

As for timeline, Disney waterparks have taken 30+ months of ground work. However, that is a true themed waterpark that is roughly 50 acres. Of course, a 35 million dollar investment and the rumored bus parking area does not size up to that. I would suggest that 8 months is really pushing this type of brand new waterpark. When New England converted their waterpark to Hurricane Harbor, they doubled the size of the existing waterpark and it still took 6 months. Due to the expected demand coming from a drastically underserved Chicago metropolitan area, the park should have it's own support infrastructure, wave pool, lazy river, and assortment of slides and water playgrounds. However, like any new park, it probably won't be fully built out in the first year and a number of current waterpark features will be earmarked for future, annual additions to further grow and nurture the visitor base.

For a Phase-I development, it could see operations in 2005, but I wouldn't go as far as saying it is a sure thing like others on here have alluded to. Land prep-work should take at least 2 months, and they are dealing with a Chicago winter, not an Orlando one. There are issues that effect the build-out ranging from them having to run power, sewer, and natural gas all over the park and to (my interpretation of the conference call) having to rely on 2005 corporate allocated funds to fund the project.

I guess that would be my second point to the above AP pricing structure above; the opening of the park could be summer '05 or '06. There are too many variables to consider. $35 million is not the most expensive waterpark, but a lot of that price tag might reflect an extremely accelerated construction project or it could be for tangibles that will be built over the next 14 months. If the funds are coming out of 2005 earmarked capital improvements, 2006 is a realistic option, especially when it takes a park 4 weeks alone to orientate staff.

Here's hoping for 2005! I just wouldn't be so adamant.

[w00dland]

And for everyone that says that Deja Vu got stuck in the boomerang a month and a half ago, please point me to a picture as I have never heard of such a thing before and quite frankly, I can't believe it without seein it.

http://sfgamworld.com/phpBB2/viewtopic. ... vu+vallies

http://sfgamworld.com/phpBB2/viewtopic. ... vu+vallies

[Binks Drake]

Most parks offer an AP for each park and then a Deluxe AP offering for both parks combined. This occurs in Kansas City for Worlds of Fun and Oceans of Fun.

First of all GAm is so Much bigger then those parks and probably makes A Lot more Money.

As for timeline, Disney waterparks have taken 30+ months of ground work. However, that is a true themed waterpark that is roughly 50 acres.

Actually Our park will be about 24 Acres I Believe. A 50 acre park would be about half the size of the whole park! Unless I read this wrong you're a little off.

For a Phase-I development, it could see operations in 2005, but I wouldn't go as far as saying it is a sure thing like others on here have alluded to. Land prep-work should take at least 2 months, and they are dealing with a Chicago winter, not an Orlando one. There are issues that effect the build-out ranging from them having to run power, sewer, and natural gas all over the park and to (my interpretation of the conference call) having to rely on 2005 corporate allocated funds to fund the project.

Chicago winters aren't that bad. And it really depends on luck. We could get an inch of snow the whole season, or we could get a six foot snowfall. Stupid El Nino!

$35 million is not the most expensive waterpark, but a lot of that price tag might reflect an extremely accelerated construction project or it could be for tangibles that will be built over the next 14 months. If the funds are coming out of 2005 earmarked capital improvements, 2006 is a realistic option, especially when it takes a park 4 weeks alone to orientate staff.

If I remember corretly someone stated earlier that a lot of waterparks are built for roughly 28 mil. Obviously it won't be Massive, but it won't be small either. As for it being built over 14 months, i doubt it. It will probably open around memorial day. Thay may wait 'til '06 to finish completly (Once again, not trying to start any rumors) and add a couple little things. But I think the park will be ready for summer 2005!

[Sedir]

Whoa how did Hurricane Harbor change to Deja vu

[Binks Drake]

Uh...It didn't.

[Ilovthevu']

^Don't you know we are getting two Deja Vu's, one already in the regular park, and one in the waterpark. JUST KIDDING

I think that they are planning for the park to open for 2005. They can't leave that much room for expansion (because SFGAm doesn't have it), so they will only leave some room open for additions.

To sidetrack, a little bit. I found three prices of SF waterparks. SFMM is $23.99, SFOG is $29.99, and SFGAdv is also $29.99. The SF website says that SFGAdv is a whopping 45 acres. That is almost twice as what we are supposedly expecting. The other parks don't say how big they are.

Since everyone blames SF for SFMM, I just want to show you guys and girls how weird they are. While checking under park info on six parks (SFGAm, SfStL, SFGAdv, SFOG, SFMM, and SFKK), I noticed that they all have the same picture of the dude with spikey hair next to some kid on a coaster except SFMM. They have a picture of D Vu.

You would think that they would all have the same teaser for nearby parks, but of course they have to be different. Instead of the tube slide as you have probably seen from SFGAm, they have a picture of five slides connected together going down what looks like on toboggans.

Considering that management came from SFGAdv, I would think that they would instill some of the same things they have done (an extra pay waterpark). We all also somewhat like SFOG in which they have to pay extra for a waterpark.

Lastly, I do want to say something even though it came up awhile ago in this topic. One person said for SFGAm to buy land around the highway. They actually did not say across the highway. They were actually talking about the land in back of Olive Garden, or Joe's Crab Shack. They said to shuttle people from there to SFGAm. I just wanted to clarify that.

[Binks Drake]

You pay extra for the waterpark at SFOG becuase it's about 30 MILES AWAY. Sorry for yelling.

[B&M Floorless Wanter]

this is off of this subject but is dejavu currently operating now or has it been closed lately

[Binks Drake]

It operating last week.

[B&M Floorless Wanter]

but not yesterday or the day before because i am going to great america tommorow

[chimike]

Most parks offer an AP for each park and then a Deluxe AP offering for both parks combined. This occurs in Kansas City for Worlds of Fun and Oceans of Fun.

First of all GAm is so Much bigger then those parks and probably makes A Lot more Money.

What does this have to do with anything? Why respond when you have nothing to respond with? If you are going to respond to me directly, please have a point. Walt Disney World IS BIGGER than SFGAm and they have the same AP structure. One including waterparks and one without. They even had resident APs just for the waterparks. Would you mind clarifying what you are trying to get across with relative land size and revenue amounts, because as far as I can tell you are simply posting with no differing point

As for timeline, Disney waterparks have taken 30+ months of ground work. However, that is a true themed waterpark that is roughly 50 acres.

Actually Our park will be about 24 Acres I Believe. A 50 acre park would be about half the size of the whole park! Unless I read this wrong you're a little off.

I would suggest that you ARE reading my entire post wrong and are incapable of judging who is "off" and who is "on" I clearly stated that a 30+ month timeframe is an extreme example compared to the confirmed and uncomfirmed specs for SFGam's new waterpark.

For a Phase-I development, it could see operations in 2005, but I wouldn't go as far as saying it is a sure thing like others on here have alluded to. Land prep-work should take at least 2 months, and they are dealing with a Chicago winter, not an Orlando one. There are issues that effect the build-out ranging from them having to run power, sewer, and natural gas all over the park and to (my interpretation of the conference call) having to rely on 2005 corporate allocated funds to fund the project.

Chicago winters aren't that bad. And it really depends on luck. We could get an inch of snow the whole season, or we could get a six foot snowfall. Stupid El Nino!

Why do you feel the need to chirp in on an entire paragraph of points to only leave me with such an obscure, abstract observation? Chicago winters aren't bad to Orlando? That is the point I made. St. Louis has much more mild winters than Chicago and that is only 5 hours away. It is a factor, unless you think you know more than the Illinois Department of Transportation. Using your astute logic, they must be insane for scheduling around winter.

$35 million is not the most expensive waterpark, but a lot of that price tag might reflect an extremely accelerated construction project or it could be for tangibles that will be built over the next 14 months. If the funds are coming out of 2005 earmarked capital improvements, 2006 is a realistic option, especially when it takes a park 4 weeks alone to orientate staff.

If I remember corretly someone stated earlier that a lot of waterparks are built for roughly 28 mil. Obviously it won't be Massive, but it won't be small either. As for it being built over 14 months, i doubt it. It will probably open around memorial day. Thay may wait 'til '06 to finish completly (Once again, not trying to start any rumors) and add a couple little things. But I think the park will be ready for summer 2005!

I don't know how to respond to this. I think you aren't even reading what I am writing. Do you simply like to respond and argue for the sake of doing so? There have been waterparks built for less then 35 million and parks built for more then 35 million. Your response shows a very surface level of comprehension for what I clearly wrote. I think the welcome, open, atmosphere of this board is hampered by responses such as yours.

[Coasterman Jro]

Haha, calm down chimike. As painful as it was to watch someone disect an excellent post and try to counterpoint it with the logic of a superfluous nipple, it's not worth getting in trouble over. I'd hate to see someone as well spoken and knowledgeable as yourself get banned for defending your great post. All of your points are valid, and I firmly believe the park will not be operation by memorial day. It would be redundant for me to list the reasons, but I think one of your most valid points is all of the electrical and gas line work that would need to be done as well as the effect of Chicago winters on construction.

[Soxman]

Thank God! Some people have finally posted that actually know what they are talking about. I totally agree with Chimike. He just help back up my arguments. I do not trust anyone on these boards that have a supposed ground breaking date. I have listed before some of the work that needs to be done and all the prep work that also needs to be done. If some people would do some research on construction of water parks and not just guess the conversations would be a lot better.

I am so sick a tired of people on the boards that can't deal with negativity. The park isn't perfect. They have made some dumb decisions in the past and some people on the boards believe that Great America can do no wrong. I do not work at the park and nobody on these boards can call themselves an expert. I have been around theme parks for at least 20 years and I still have a lot to learn. If someone does not agree with me and doesn't back it up I could care less. I am not here to change the opinions of others, but rather just state my opinion.

in my opinion there is just too much work to be done for a opening for memorial day. You might see July if the park opens with work still being done. I will not pay money to go to a unfinshed park.

[thecoasterguy]

Thecoasterguy, how are you going to tell me that your god and your the center of information and you know for a FACT that Deja Vu has NEVER vallied in its boomerang EVER? And if you just never heard it during the past 2 weeks you have been on the boards how can you say it didn't without any proof? Maybe you just werent there on one of the many days it has. And believe me, it has. A lot. It used to vallie at least every other day in october of 2001 and a only periodicly now. Thats why they built the platform under the boomerang after they built the ride. SFMM's still vallies when I visit the park.

Um, so I'm being cocky because I said that I would like some proof of the ride vallying? And you reply by saying that it's vallied constantly? If that is the case, shouldn't someone have some more information about it?

I'm not saying that I'm a "coaster god" or whatever, but if you are making a pretty big claim about Deja Vu vallying, someone should have more information on here. This is an issue that was like the thread that got me to start posting here where people were claiming that their restraints were automatically raising during the ride all of the time. I'm sorry, but that just doesn't happen in the way that people are describing on here. In the rules, it states that, "You may not post any material which is false."

Does anyone on here know anything about rides? If the train gets vallied in the boomerang, it is in an uncontrollable part of the ride. That means that there isn't a way to get it down without a lot of work. It takes at least a crane and a lot of time to move the ride back into place. It is not something that happens one morning and then the ride is open fifteen minutes later. If I recall correctly, Deja Vu vallied between the boomerang and the loop in 2002, and it took the park three weeks to move the train from that position.

And wOOdland, your post linked to two topics that said that Vu had stopped working, but hadn't vallied. The "picture" of it vallied in the one topic is labeled "what it would look like" and the ride is clearly operating.

My only guess is that everyone here is misusing the word "boomerang" for some other element of the ride. That's why I would like to see a picture of the ride in said position -- because then I will know what in the world everyone is talking about. I don't claim to know anything more than anyone else about the rides in question, but if something comes up that seems to be absolutely crazy, I think that I have a right to ask questions.

So again, I ask -- if the ride has been stuck in the boomerang at all this year, please post a picture some where so I can see this. I would be extremely interested by such an occurance, and I would love to see it and know how Six Flags had to get the ride down.

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Now, as for the real topic of this thread, I agree with you chimike on most points. As you said, who knows how long it will take. Soxman, your problem is that you have been claiming that you know for certain that the park will not open until 2006, and I personally don't see it that way. As I've mentioned, I think that with the position that Six Flags is in, and especially the wording of the conference call that the waterpark will be open for next year. We both have to sit back and find out if we are correct or not.

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And with that, I'm going to go back into hiding for a long time. While it's been fun posting here over the last few weeks, I can't keep checking this board so frequently. I will stop by to read again from time to time, but I don't think that I'm needed to keep the conversation going. Have fun, and happy coastering

[w00dland]

Anyway, on my commute to work this morning, I was shocked to see that Vu was vallied in the roll. It was about 8am today.

No other info, as I was not at the park last nite.

It is confirmed that Dejavu did valley in the cobra roll Yesterday morning (7/6).

It was stuck all day. I was at SFGAm yesterday (7/6). The thing is that I was dieing to ride Deja Vu (of coarse I was dieing to ride all the other rides but Deja Vu is my favorite). Now Deja Vu is not open

Did you read more than 2 posts of each?

[sixflagsguy5]

Yeah i know that people make stupid and pointless posts just to ge their post count up. Kind of like this one. I just wanted to make it clear that people do that and they shouldn't, but thats just my opinion.

[Ilovthevu']

You pay extra for the waterpark at SFOG becuase it's about 30 MILES AWAY. Sorry for yelling.

You also to have pay extra for ones at SFMM and SFGAdv which are closer to the regular park.

[Binks Drake]

Yeah...No...The waterpark in Georgia is a while away. It isn't actually even part of SFOG. It's a whole different park. The ones at MM and GADv are right next door.

[Ilovthevu']

I'm confused. In your first post, you were saying that part of the reason why you pay extra is because it is 30 miles away.

So, I'm saying that SFMM, and SFGAdv are next door, and you still have to pay extra.

[SFGAm Rules]

As I exited the park out Washington St. the other night I noticed that they have set up a little booth (before eagle coming from out side the park) and have signs posted that say "Construction Traffic Only".

[planea380]

I saw that driving out...I notived a new booth. I was like danny there is a new booth on Washington...

[LaTiNoObSeSeDSFGAm]

Maybe the could be the entrance to the water park for cars. How did it look like?

[Timmy179]

No, thats where CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC will enter.