Can you say, Hurricane Harbor?

[Danhockey04]

They will probably start work after next week because the park goes to weekends only after next week. in my opinion, the water park will open when SFGAm's schedule goes to weekdays, late May. Also, this park is not officially called Hurricane Harbor, it has no name yet, I think they need to make it Hawaiian themed and call it Aloha Adventure.

[Binks Drake]

For the responses to my Earlier Mardi Gras Park, I realize it's a whole different ballgame. I was stating that I think that construction willl be done...Possibly even before the season starts. But It would be pointless to open it because may in Chicago is COLD! It probably won't open 'til June.

Just my two cents.

[sfgamer]

I will tell you the reason why Vu took a long time. The guy at my church said that sfgam had donated some pieces to other sf parks but sfgam made a mistake and they really needed those parts.

I think you should get everybody at your church to join these forums, since that's where you seem to get 3/4's of your information.

Well the guy is not that big into roller coasters but actually I think that was from something I really don't remember 2001 all that well.

[LaTiNoObSeSeDSFGAm]

You will be surprised how much they can do on the amount on time they have. I have a feeling the water park will be open next year just without the total landscape like SUF was when it first opened. How long do you expect to take on a ride.

[sfgamer]

I don't know.

Have you PMed me yet?

[thecoasterguy]

Okay...

First off, if the parts are arriving or not you can't tell by seeing two trucks arrive. Trucks arrive daily to all parts of the park.

Secondly, the park doesn't announce this stuff so far in advance so that the media can make a story out of it when it is released. If the water park is under construction and then the media is told, it looks a lot cooler to the general public on the news than if you announce it way too far in advance. Remember, SFGAm was once getting a Mr. Freeze and that was announced... but then didn't get it. They don't want to repeat that.

Speaking to a Zoning Board about a ride is *not* an announcement. The park needs to get anything above a certain height approved by the Zoning Board so that they can move forward. If you're going to the Zoning Board in Feb. of 98 for a ride that opens a year later, you are right on schedule and you can't wait longer. If you do, you end up with a situation like they had in Six Flags Mexico, who has had parts on hand for a hyper for forever, and just finally got clearance to build it now, years later.

I can't believe that anyone truly thinks that this can't open until 2006. If that is your opinions, you are skipping over the fact that a coaster is much more complex to build than a series of smaller things. A coaster requires precise layout placement for tons of parts. A waterslide, even the tallest and longest ones, don't require that much precision, and you can work on five at the same time. When V2 and Deja Vu were built, they were both built at the same time. It isn't like they are going to get one crew who will install the slides one at a time.

Whoever thinks that this means that there is no chance of getting anything else until 2007 is mistaken. Apparently, Six Flags really wants to turn SFGAm into a destination (like they had once talked about doing). Perhaps we'll see much more interesting upgrades next year like a hotel.

We don't know if the park will be seperately gated, and even if it is that has nothing to do with how quickly or how slowly the park will open. The park will open next year. Period. That's how this business works, and Six Flags, Inc. doesn't have enough cash to have $35 million tied up for two years right now with no return. On top of that, building a park slowly does not mean that you'll get more quality in any way.

And for the people who are worried that wet, swimsuited people will be stuck in line with everyone now... First off, you have to change into regular clothes. That won't change. Secondly, we already have water rides that soak people, and they stand in lines and no one seems to complain too much about that.

Soxman, you said "Look at how long it took to get Vu standing. Not operating, but just standing." Um... two months?

da rcman2001, Vu has never been stuck in the Boomerang.

Ilovethevu, Vekoma is / was *not* a new company. They've been the most popular coaster manufacturer in the world based on number of sales since the mid 90's I believe. Ever ride a Boomerang, SLC or Invetigo (Is that the right trade name for the Face/Off, Two Face coasters?) You've rode a Vekoma. And Roller Skaters (including Spaceley's Sprocket Rockets too) are their domain.

Secondly, Six Flags purchases rides and other people build them. B&M doesn't fly out a team of construction workers from Switzerland to build the ride. They come from the local area. You can see the names of some of them on Batman's fence thing.

Lastly, I'd assume the Six Flags chain shares information on their similar coasters. So wouldn't SFGAm get info from SFWOA on Superman: Ultimate Escape? I would have thought so...

It is crazy for people on here to make statements about the waterpark right now beyond, "This is cool!" and what we would like to see in it and stuff like that. Coming up with rumors and citing them as facts doesn't work at all. Let me quickly look back at the facts:

1) SFGAm is getting a waterpark
2) The waterpark is going to have a price point of approximately $35 million dollars
3) The announcement has not been made yet about anything else with it

[w00dland]

da rcman2001, Vu has never been stuck in the Boomerang.

Uhhh, it was about a month and a half ago...

[Timmy179]

Yep, Thats the one thing you were wrong about thecoasterguy, about 1 1/2 months ago the train got stuck in the cobra roll.

[Soxman]

It will be a second gate. You can look at Disney, Cedar Fair, and even Six Flags and see that water parks are second gates. They make more money that way. It is common sense to understand how they are going to handle this. You will be able to upgrade your season pass to include both parks. Other chains have used this method successfully, even Six Flags.

I made the comment "NO Coasters til 2007" at that is the earliest at most. You may see touch ups or a flat in 2006, but that is it. Great America has moved up the food chain because MM has been told to shape up before they even think about getting anything new. Great Adventure as of now in my opinion is leading the pack for Six Flags.

The park could be completed by September of next year but what is the point because we will be going into fall. To have everything up and running in a new park is not realistic by memorial day 2005 (When most pools open).

Like I have stated before it is not just attractions that are being built. They have a lot of misc. items to build for guest services.

[w00dland]

Soxman, are you some sort of waterpark expert? In your opinion it might be that way, but don't state your opinion as a fact...

[playerplex]

Yeah, what Woodland said.

[ihauntu2]

If SF builds in SFGAM the way they did in SFSTL, the new waterpark will be up and running easily by June '05 at the latest.

I was shocked in how fast they built Hurricane Harbor down there. It was completed in one offseason. I believe they started in September and were finishing the waterslide towers by April. I remember going to SFSTL during the offseason at 2a.m. on a Friday night / Saturday morning in April( don't ask it was a road trip / dare gone wrong) and seeing all of the new waterpark stuff, wondering if it was a new park seperate from Six Flags or not (They did not start promoting or even announcing the new water park until the regular season).

[Ilovthevu']

To thecoasterguy:

I never said that Vekoma was a brand spanking new company. I said that they were new building a big rollercoaster at SFGAm.

For the two trucks, don't believe me. The fact is that parts came from somewhere, and I don't believe that they fall from the sky. Also, for everyone's information V2 was built before D Vu. They didn't even have some of the ques up when it first came up.

[thecoasterguy]

Soxman, you don't necessarily make more money that way -- especially if the water park is directly competing with the other area waterparks. No one is going to pay more money to go to the more expensive Six Flags park if they can go to Rochester or the Wisconsin Dells. Considering that every recent waterpark addition to Six Flags has been part of the enterance fee, I would be really surprised to see if this is a second gate.

I'm not saying that it definitely will not be though, but you can't seriously know that it won't be.

Why is it that the park can't be completed until next September? Give me a reason that the park can't be completed earlier. I don't see any reasoning behind your idea that the park can't be completed before September.

And for everyone that says that Deja Vu got stuck in the boomerang a month and a half ago, please point me to a picture as I have never heard of such a thing before and quite frankly, I can't believe it without seein it.

[Danhockey04]

I made the comment "NO Coasters til 2007" at that is the earliest at most. You may see touch ups or a flat in 2006, but that is it. Great America has moved up the food chain because MM has been told to shape up before they even think about getting anything new. Great Adventure as of now in my opinion is leading the pack for Six Flags.

The park could be completed by September of next year but what is the point because we will be going into fall. To have everything up and running in a new park is not realistic by memorial day 2005 (When most pools open).

First, there is a high probablity that SFGAm will most likely get a coaster in 2006 because it will be the park's 30th birhtday, and especially if attendance goes up because of the waterpark. A waterpark, remember, has low maintance and low running costs, and easy ways to make profits. Also, SFGAdv being the best SF park is only an opinion, as you stated, but the SF corporation are obviously favoring SFGAm to be the big park for 2005 with the $35 million water park (1/4 of SF corporation expenses for 2005), the most expensive SF water park built.

The park will most likely be finished next year by Memorial Day because a water park, like said before, does not take as long as a coaster. Also, they could work on the slides, pools, facilities, and shops all at the same time, it does not have to be a one step at a time thing.

[Ilovthevu']

I don't really expect something great after waterpark, because SFStL didn't get too much after there's and SFKK got a used rollercoaster (Tidal Wave).

Screamscape believes that is will be modeled after the one at SFGAdv. They have a link of some nice pictures of it just in case anyone wants to look at them.

[Timmy179]

Hmm.. You cant compare SftStl to SfGam.. its not even fair.

[sfgamer]

SFGAm is 10 times better. By the way this is my 101st post. wOOt! (What does that mean)

[Ilovthevu']

^That only happened 20 times before.

Selection is something that SFGAm has compared to SFStL. However, if you really wanted to compare, there are some rides better there in my opinion, and some the same. I will just say some, so we could get back with Hurricane Harbor at SFGAm.

RC=The Boss (I hate them both, LOL.)
Ninja=Shockwave (which many of you love to death, and I don't)
Mr. Freeze is a little better=V2
Mine Train (Personally, Mine Train can bury Whizzer in it's swamp)=Rougher Whizzer
BTR black=BTR yellow
Rush Street Flyer=Way Better than Trailbrazer
Screamin' Eagle=in my opinion Way Better than Am E
Scooby Doo Laser Ride that SFGAm doesn't have.

SFStL missing: Triple Play, Chubasco, Ricochet, D Vu, Balloons, SUF, Demon type, IW, Condor, and a couple more rides. However, they still have a lot of quality rides.

[Virtua Tennis]

I don't really expect something great after waterpark, because SFStL didn't get too much after there's and SFKK got a used rollercoaster (Tidal Wave).

SF sends ride to the parks with the higher attendance, GAm packs in quite a bit more than either of those.

[twixmix0303]

If this is going to raise the Season Pass holder rates, I won't like it. I live on a nice, clean lake. The Gurnee Park District pool is less than 5 minutes away. Libertyville, Grayslake, and other nearby towns all have their own pools. Realistically, I see myself using it, maybe 0 times, the entire year. I go to Six Flags to go on rides, not to swim. Of course, that's just me, lots of other people, especially out of area people, will use it, and that will make $ for Six Flags.

That's just my two cents. Continue on.

[mschulz5]

The park could be completed by September of next year but what is the point because we will be going into fall. To have everything up and running in a new park is not realistic by memorial day 2005 (When most pools open).

Soxman, it's simply a matter of counting. Now if what Ron/Wolf said was true, (and if it isn't, i'll eat my hat) groundbreaking will begin in about a week or two. Now let's say that date is September 1st. Now count the months until June 1. That's 9 MONTHS for them to build a waterpark the size of the bus parking lot. I don't think that piece of land is big enough for something being built there to take more than 9 months.

[da rcman2001]

Thecoasterguy, how are you going to tell me that your god and your the center of information and you know for a FACT that Deja Vu has NEVER vallied in its boomerang EVER? And if you just never heard it during the past 2 weeks you have been on the boards how can you say it didn't without any proof? Maybe you just werent there on one of the many days it has. And believe me, it has. A lot. It used to vallie at least every other day in october of 2001 and a only periodicly now. Thats why they built the platform under the boomerang after they built the ride. SFMM's still vallies when I visit the park.

Now. About the waterpark opening late and all that. It wont. If you think about it, it takes way less time to construct a whole park than a ride. It only took 2 years to build gam, and 2 years i believe for DCA and IOA. AND, it''l only take disney about 2 years to finish and open Hong Kong Disneyland. Maybe less becasue it was set to open in 2006 but now its 2005. Waterparks take less. The reason they dont take long to build is because they work quicker with more people rather then when they build a coaster. When they build coasters they wait forever and they only work for a short amount of time putting a couple more supports in or whatever. They dont even work every day of the week. Building an entire park wont be like that.

[Virtua Tennis]

And for everyone that says that Deja Vu got stuck in the boomerang a month and a half ago, please point me to a picture as I have never heard of such a thing before and quite frankly, I can't believe it without seein it.

In the morning, before the park was open for people to see it, emoloyees can't bring in cameras (or at least i'd expect and hope not).
It's only happened in the cobra roll to GAm's once, It's happenned 6+ at Magic and at least once I know of at Georgia.

[B&M Floorless Wanter]

i can assure you i have starred at the dejavu train stuck in the boomerang so it was stuck up there for some time