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Postby Ilovthevu' on July 30th, 2004, 11:28 am
I would call them up because the mail is so slow due to the fact that they get a lot of it.
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Postby w00dland on July 30th, 2004, 11:32 am
katydid wrote:Im just surprised that the ride would contiune up the lift if a lapbar would somehow come undone. Isnt there some kinda a saftey mechanism that would cause the ride to stop in a situation like that?


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Can anybody shed some information on this that knows a lot about it, FParker maybe?
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Postby Danhockey04 on July 30th, 2004, 2:26 pm
The train should go into a ride stop because the harness has moved above the red line; the line on the harness at the bottom, it will only go if it is showing, otherwise the train is not secure and wont move. It should stop at the nearest block section if it during the course of the ride, at least I think.
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Postby DejaVu The Ride on July 30th, 2004, 2:50 pm
As she said, the restraint popped open while on the lift and then she and someone else held it down during the ride. Maybe that since the red line was shown, was why they didn't stop on the lift block.
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Postby Ilovthevu' on July 30th, 2004, 4:28 pm
Machines are machines, that's the problem. They mess up all the time.
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Postby InsaneNewman on July 30th, 2004, 4:39 pm
Going back to the "jumping off the train" though, I definitely would. In case you've never noticed, there are about three places along the lift hill, all the way up, where there are E-Stop buttons. If my harness came up, I would jump off and run to the closest E-Stop button. If my harness didn't lock, there's no reason to think that anyone else's did.

However, I would like to think that your experience was a freak accident and probably won't happen again. Still, definitely you should report it. I'll have to think twice before I throw my hands up on RB again.
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Postby Da Chillin16JG on July 30th, 2004, 10:10 pm
The same thing happend to my friends dad and the restraint poped up at the end of the ride, but he pushed it down and it stayed down for the rest of the ride. Thats some scary Sh*t! :?
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Postby maneuverman on July 30th, 2004, 10:35 pm
Well its terriable that it happened. The real question is will you ever go on the rb again? or any other coaster?
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Postby sixflagsguy5 on July 30th, 2004, 11:09 pm
My friend said that on Viper in the front row on the left side, on closing weekend of 2001 his lap bar popped up at the top of the hill. He usually lies, but now that you guys are saying that happens alot on viper i guess its true. If that happens, and you hop off onto the stairs and walk down, would u get in trouble or not?
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Postby RedOne3781 on July 31st, 2004, 2:06 am
maneuverman wrote:Well its terriable that it happened. The real question is will you ever go on the rb again? or any other coaster?


Yes I will continue to go on rollercoasters. I have been riding them for probably 16 years or so, and this is the first time anything like this has ever happened to me. I mean NOTHING bad has ever happned to me on a ride before. I have never gotten stuck on a hill or anything, never had a lap bar raise, or a seat belt open, etc (well, aside from a Batman incident that was totally my fault when I was like 12).So I am going to chalk it up to a bad experience and call it a day.

Now, it may take me a little while to get back on Raging Bull. And I'd even guess that I'll be back on it before the season is over.. Maybe. I might hold out to see if maybe someone high up at Six Flags comes to the realization that a back up restraint of some sort might be a very good idea.

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Postby Virtua Tennis on July 31st, 2004, 9:40 am
If a restraint comes up one click just push it back down. If a restraint comes up all the way, which isnt good, tell a operator they'll probably tape it off.
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Postby sixflagsguy5 on July 31st, 2004, 10:00 am
No but if it stays up wouldnt u just try to get off if you had time. And walk down the stairs. Or would you get in trouble?
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Postby Virtua Tennis on July 31st, 2004, 10:05 am
It doesn't stay up.
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Postby sixflagsguy5 on July 31st, 2004, 10:07 am
Ok lets say someones lap bar came up all the way and they were too scared to ride. They would either hold on or get off. IF They got off, would they get in trouble?
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Postby planea380 on July 31st, 2004, 10:50 am
I had a PTC unlock on Eagles Helix yesterday.
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Postby coasterswimgurl12 on July 31st, 2004, 10:50 am
I wouldnt think so, if they couldnt get the restraint back down then I think the rider has every right to jump off on to the lift hill for safety reasons...the only problem is, they should try to signal a ride op from there to get them because it is very dangerous to be walking around a rollercoaster that is operating...so I'd sit still and tell a passing train on the lift hill to tell a ride op when they get back to the station. :)
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Postby InsaneNewman on July 31st, 2004, 11:37 am
That's why there are Emergency Stop buttons on RB's lift hill...
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Postby Virtua Tennis on July 31st, 2004, 11:38 am
...no thats definitly not why.
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Postby coasterzak on July 31st, 2004, 12:47 pm
Wow . . . I'm sure you wouldn't get in trouble. They would be in shock. People just don't walk down lifthills. You wouldn't be like "hey - yeah I didn't want to ride, I got off". I'm sure the person would be freaking out and obviously they would know something was up with the ride. I'm sure they would E-Stop it if they saw you coming down the steps.
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Postby thecoasterguy on August 3rd, 2004, 12:47 am
Wow! And to think that coaster restraints open all of the time on enthusiasts! We're just lucky that they haven't opened for anyone that didn't know what they were doing. If that would've happened, there would be millions of deaths a year!

Seriously people, if you're getting all riled up about this, you have no idea of the safety system that goes into the rides or how they function. It's apparent the people in this thread that have actually had problems with restraints and the ones that have made it up. As someone else pointed out, roller coasters _are_ machines, and because they are machines they only function in certain ways... and some of the things that you are describing would be impossible.

Then again, who needs to believe me?
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Postby Timmy179 on August 3rd, 2004, 12:54 am
I believe you, as a matter of fact, I dont believe this, but because of the fact I have to give someone the same opportunity to shed their "experience" with us, because who knows, she could be telling the truth.

While I find all this restraint talk as likely craptalk, I have to give the benefit of the doubt, and if it were a mass problem, there would be mass deaths on coasters (::cough:: INTAMIN:: cough::)
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Postby Ilovthevu' on August 3rd, 2004, 10:16 am
thecoasterguy wrote:Seriously people, if you're getting all riled up about this, you have no idea of the safety system that goes into the rides or how they function. It's apparent the people in this thread that have actually had problems with restraints and the ones that have made it up. As someone else pointed out, roller coasters _are_ machines, and because they are machines they only function in certain ways... and some of the things that you are describing would be impossible.


Yes, machines are machines, you didn't read the rest. They mess up all the time. Cars breakdown all the time. They don't work the certain way they are supposed to. Yesterday, I was playing an arcade bowling game, and the ball kept on dropping and didn't give it back to me. It wasn't working the way it's supposed to. The Whizzer and Demon colliding never would have happened if machines were perfect. If you want to read many ride accidents, you should go to this website.
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Postby thecoasterguy on August 3rd, 2004, 10:41 am
Ilovthevu' wrote:Yes, machines are machines, you didn't read the rest. They mess up all the time. Cars breakdown all the time. They don't work the certain way they are supposed to. Yesterday, I was playing an arcade bowling game, and the ball kept on dropping and didn't give it back to me. It wasn't working the way it's supposed to. The Whizzer and Demon colliding never would have happened if machines were perfect. If you want to read many ride accidents, you should go to this website.
http://www.rideaccidents.com


Ever think that rides are designed so that if a restraint fails, it fails in the LOCKED position instead of unlocking? The arcade bowling game that you were playing was made so that if something happened, it wouldn't shoot the ball at your head.

Roller coasters work with something called "redudant safety systems." Basically, you would need so many things to fail before they would malfunction, and then you would just be stuck in the harness. B&M designs redundant safety systems into their rides so that they are quicker and safer to load. Seat belts are completely rider-operated, and can be overcome in a second. And don't tell me that people wouldn't do that with seat belts, when you have comments like this in this very thread already -- "Back Row on Viper + ejector airtime + loose seatbelt = WHEEE!!!! "

Some of you may recall this quote in response to the Raven accident that was seconded by both Cedar Fair and Six Flags, Inc shortly after the original letter from Will Koch was made public... "We are appalled to learn that this minority of enthusiasts continues to practice unsafe and even illegal behavior at parks, and brag about it on the Internet. We are appalled to learn that this minority of enthusiasts continues to practice unsafe and even illegal behavior at parks, and brag about it on the Internet."

I'm well versed in rideaccidents.com. You'll notice that there are no accidents reported on there where the coaster unlocked the safety bar and therefore ejected the person. There are tons of cases of people unlocking their own seatbelts or trying to jump off a ride and being injured or killed. If harnesses automatically raised as often as you guys make it out to happen, then you would think that those types of accidents would happen once in a while.
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Postby Timmy179 on August 3rd, 2004, 11:28 am
An electronic bowling machine is no comparison to a 20 million dollar roller coaster. Definately not a fair comparison


A little more design goes into designing a roller coaster restraint system, and as Coasterguy stated, Coaster restraints are designed to fail safely.
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