^I think that a Floorless is a gimmick too. To me, it really doesn't matter if a coaster has a floor or not. The problem for a park though is that a Sitdown LOOKS just like a Floorless. Is there any park in the world that has both a B&M Sitdown and a B&M Floorless? A Wingrider train looks different than those 2 though so as I was saying that a park like Fiesta Texas might get a Wingrider for that matter even though they have a Floorless. It just looks different. The GP look at as a totally different coaster than Superman.
The other concepts are very different in my opinion from B&Ms Flyer, Stand-Up, Mega Coaster, Dive Coaster, and Inverted.
You say that this is a combo of a sitdown and an inverted coaster, but I really don't see that. It's seems to me more like a Floorless, but the seats are further apart.
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X-Flight construction pictures
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It really only is a combo sitdown/inverted if the seats spin. However, it is a different feeling being that far away from the track.
Busch Gardens Tampa is the only park I can think of that has a floorless & sitdown, but the floorless is Sheikra. I think these wingriders are more like a dive machine than a floorless. The elements should feel different than a floorless. There is no reason they can't have a wingrider drop more than 90* and face first. The trains look a lot lighter too, which allows for more options to what it can do. B&M has had an entire decade to study 4D, and I really believe this is just a stepping stone. Now that they have shown they can pull a train up 300' with a chain on Leviathan, they can add more weight to these, especially down low and centered. They have had 5 years to study the forces on Griffon with a 10 wide train. This design done smoothly, reliably, and with the way B&M can twist track, can lead to experiences we have never had before. This is how I see the wingrider concept evolving. B&M just doesn't want to go out of business like Arrow did.
Courtesy of SFGAm twitter
Once B&M studies this wing-rider concept for a few years, I can most definitly see them doing something that involves roatating seats on these types of coasters. Who knows, ten years from now they could totally re-invent X-flight and give it an xtreme makeover like X at SFMM and rename it Xtreme Flight or something like that. This however could just be my coaster nerd mind thinking a little to far into this.
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^I have posed this 4D conversion several times here and you are the first to mention it. I really think it depends on how they rotate the seats. Installing an extra rail doesn't seem like it would work that good. I can't imagine some iron workers out there welding it in place and having it be accurate. Plus, trying to bend it post manufacture. If B&M can do it electrically or electronically, and keep everything within the trains frame, then I think it would be possible. However, electric motors and gears can heavy in a hurry. It might be possible to switch to a back to back seating arrangement, like the Zacspins use, and cut the length of the train in 1/2-5/8.
  Electrical appears to be well on it's way. A bunch more grouting still to do though for the last stuff to have gone up, basically from the helix onward, though that doesn't take much time. Favorite Wood Coasters: The Voyage, Ravine Flyer II, Thunderhead, Balder
Favorite Steel: Voltron Nevera, Steel Vengeance, Expedition GeForce, Olympia Looping Parks visited: 232, Coasters Ridden: Steel: 894, Wood: 179, Total: 1073
Yes, www.newsplusnotes.com did a great review of the coaster/area, thats where those ^^ pics came from. Looks amazing.
AH awesome!! whered that one come from??
Great America's twitter account.
I wondered. Theyre makin me want a twitter but I have enough shiz to log into as is haha
I wish there was an exact ariel view, like just looking from the top and some of my friends cant wait either
Friday's Twitter image
March 25th X-Flight and general park update:
Lift hill chain installed  Station  Final curve   Crane  Stairs for the right side brake run catwalk waiting to be installed  Giant Drop cars  Eagle red train under tarp  Eagle Christmas tree is down  The flowers at the Grand Ave entrance have already been planted 
       From TPR
The panoramics are awesome along with the drop photo off the midway by Demon. Wow. This is one photogenic ride but what B&M really isnt?!
I vote for the brand spankin' new Shambhala at Port Aventura in Spain as being the most photogenic....
 And if I were you I'd keep hitting the green enlarge box until it's at it's full size for the full effect. Favorite Wood Coasters: The Voyage, Ravine Flyer II, Thunderhead, Balder
Favorite Steel: Voltron Nevera, Steel Vengeance, Expedition GeForce, Olympia Looping Parks visited: 232, Coasters Ridden: Steel: 894, Wood: 179, Total: 1073
I know, right? These kinds of photos just make the ride look even better, and gets me even more hyped for May. SFGAm Ride Count 2018: 286
SFGAm Ride Count 2019: 252 SFGAm Ride Count 2020: Well, ya know...
From SFGAm's Twitter
 Exit path poured.
I am not so sure they have any interest in adding rotating seats due to potential reliability issues. B&Ms are like the Japanese autos of the coaster industry due partly to their reliability, and once you add rotating seats, there is just more to go wrong. Don't me wrong; if they can do it, i am sure they could make it more reliable, but I am not convinced they want to make a ride like X2. To bring in yet another company, one only need to look to Intamin to see how pushing the thrill envelope=less reliability. We shall see, though.
Standing in front of the future entrance to XFlight
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The water has arrived!
Top 3 Steel Coasters: 1. The Incredible Hulk 2. Maverick 3. Dragon Challenge (Fireball)
Top 3 Wood Coasters: 1. The Beast 2. American Eagle (Red) 3. Hades
So the water is going to just stay muddy?
No, once they put in all the grass and cement and stuff they will clean it, or there could be a filter in it that cleans it.
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