Great American Scream Machine now closed

[Goku1910]

^Fanboy much?

[Galvan]

^ I think he was quoting a previous post.

[david]

Al Weber is being as fair as Mel Gibson is to races. But seriously, In my honest opinion, I don't think Al Weber is any better than Shapiro with the whole park fairness deal.

[Coastermonkey61]

I must say...you have just the dumbest thoughts.

[deja blues]

^Fanboy much?

Whoops, sorry the little quote box thing didn't pop up, it was meant as a quote.

[scipiomask]

^ Well, fanboys argue without logic and the logic I used is pretty solid. You have to admit - other than water parks you really don't have any direct competition. But Hershey and Dorney are legit competition to GADV - people are always choosing which one they want to go to out of the three. People are always saying that they never to go GADV but they'll gladly go to Hershey or Dorney.

Sorry to sound like a fanboy, but the people who think you should get a second stand-up coaster over a park that doesn't have one sound a bit more fanboy-ish than I did.

[BLADE]

I'm quite sure they are NOT going to Hershey or Dorney because both those places have better roller coaster collections. Obviously, there is some other reason that draws people to those 2.
Your area also needs at least 1 of them, because GrAd is not capable of handling 100,000+ people in a single day. There are 28 million people within 2 hours of the park, more than enough to sustain 3 parks.
Lets' pretend Busch Gardens bought GrAd back in 1977 instead of Six Flags. Considering that BGW outdraws GrAd by about 1million every year, AND DOES IT WITHOUT THE NATION'S 1ST AND 5TH BIGGEST METRO AREAS in it's own backyard, plus a major COMPETITOR only 75 minutes away, speaks volumes about what GrAd is offering it's customers. If Busch can have this level of success with all of this going against it, imagine what they could do with GrAd! 5-6million annual visitors is not out of the question.
This "competition" and need for Chang , you keep insisting on, is a bunch of hogwash and is getting old.

[monsterfan99]

Al Weber is being as fair as Mel Gibson is to races. But seriously, In my honest opinion, I don't think Al Weber is any better than Shapiro with the whole park fairness deal.

In most people's brains, there is a 2 second pause before you say anything. Please learn that for posting as well.

[scipiomask]

:lol: I'm quite sure they are NOT going to Hershey or Dorney because both those places have better roller coaster collections. Obviously, there is some other reason that draws people to those 2.
Your area also needs at least 1 of them, because GrAd is not capable of handling 100,000+ people in a single day. There are 28 million people within 2 hours of the park, more than enough to sustain 3 parks.
Lets' pretend Busch Gardens bought GrAd back in 1977 instead of Six Flags. Considering that BGW outdraws GrAd by about 1million every year, AND DOES IT WITHOUT THE NATION'S 1ST AND 5TH BIGGEST METRO AREAS in it's own backyard, plus a major COMPETITOR only 75 minutes away, speaks volumes about what GrAd is offering it's customers. If Busch can have this level of success with all of this going against it, imagine what they could do with GrAd! 5-6million annual visitors is not out of the question.
This "competition" and need for Chang , you keep insisting on, is a bunch of hogwash and is getting old.

^ You don't know what you're talking about, because you don't live in the area. Plenty of my neighbors tell me that they don't go to GADV anymore because it's grimy and everything is old. Dorney and Hershey, meanwhile, are getting coaster after thrill ride after this while we've gotten Wiggles World, TDK and a rehab on an 10-year-old coaster. It was good for LITTLE KIDS, but not for families. Which means the park hasn't gotten anything new for thrill seekers OR families since 2006. I know, I know, you haven't gotten a thrill since 2003 but you've gotten family attractions basically every year since then. And you have no direct competition. We do. Competition is real.

My school, which is about an hour from GADV and 2 1/2 hrs. from Dorney goes to DORNEY every year because GADV is "dirty". Dorney takes crowd because it has a better rep. The longer we go without a new thrill ride, the better Dorney looks, even if they get cleverly disguised hand-me-downs.

[Galvan]

^

What the hell are you talking about? If a park gets something for "little kids" wouldn't common sense tell you that means its for families too? I mean im no expert but, aren't little kids part of a family?

As for SFGAm not getting a thrill ride since 2003, thats not at all accurate.

SFGAm got Ragin Cajun, Revolution and King Chaos in 2004 (Which all there have a height requirement of 54 inches to ride alone)

And also Tornado in 2006 which also has a 54 inch height requirement. By comparison, Millennium Force has a 48 inch height requirement, meaning that unless MF is not a thrill ride, SFGAm's last "Thrill Ride" was in 2006.

[BLADE]

:......... speaks volumes about what GrAd is offering it's customers.

^^^^^Apparently you missed this in my post.^^^^^

^ You don't know what you're talking about, because you don't live in the area. Plenty of my neighbors tell me that they don't go to GADV anymore because it's grimy and everything is old. Dorney and Hershey, meanwhile, are getting coaster after thrill ride after this while we've gotten Wiggles World, TDK and a rehab on an 10-year-old coaster. It was good for LITTLE KIDS, but not for families. Which means the park hasn't gotten anything new for thrill seekers OR families since 2006. I know, I know, you haven't gotten a thrill since 2003 but you've gotten family attractions basically every year since then. And you have no direct competition. We do. Competition is real.

My school, which is about an hour from GADV and 2 1/2 hrs. from Dorney goes to DORNEY every year because GADV is "dirty". Dorney takes crowd because it has a better rep. The longer we go without a new thrill ride, the better Dorney looks, even if they get cleverly disguised hand-me-downs.

So how exactly is adding Chang going to make the park less grimy and less old??? How is Chang going to make the park less "dirty" and how is Chang going to give the park a better rep??? Is Chang some kind of magic sorcerer or park manager that none of us no about?
If Wiggles World is not good for familes in your opinion, then what is it good for? A Daycare? Are Little Kids not part of families in your world? And I'm the one who doesn't know what I'm talking about, huh? Wow you go to school.......

[DiveMachine]

look, this just getting stupid. I get it, we don't need Chang. I get it, you guys do deserve chang too.

Maybe the 5d ride that was supposed to go our way is now going to fill the void of your simulator? It makes sense. Send a standup coaster to a park without one in it's market, and send a simulator to a park that lost theirs. Its simple. Its smart. Its the right choice.

I will admit, Gadv has a long way to go. Yes, a fanboy bashing his own park .BUT, from what I've heard on a website, the new management and park management are strong beleivers in Gadv and its potential. Is Gadv as good of a park as SFGAm? No, not by any means other than coasters and themeing. but Gadv is just getting to a point where it can attract new visitors again. Families hated the park. It was dirty, unfriendly, and non-family friendly whatsoever. I was once told to "get off the freaking ride, kid" when i was 6 after asking a question to a ride op after a ride. Gadv is starting to clean up it's act. We Gadv fanboys are happy for the success you guys have had. This is a park that truly deserves it. So, can you guys be a little, just a little happy for us?

I don't think thats much to ask

[RagingFanatic]

Al Weber is being as fair as Mel Gibson is to races. But seriously, In my honest opinion, I don't think Al Weber is any better than Shapiro with the whole park fairness deal.

I don't think he is being dumb at all! He has a completely valid point. Removing a perfectly fine roller coaster for a newer one when other parks are suffering and in need of new rides is completely bogus. O_O anyone think we may get scream machine???

[scipiomask]

^ Have fun with that.....

I wish they could have just put those new Vekoma trains on Scream Machine.

[DiveMachine]

The track was cracking and in constant need of welding. That isn't something to joke around with, it needed to go.

^^HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Have you seen whats happened to the ride? The are tearing it down with no mercy! An entire section including a loop was destroyed in 14 minutes!

[RagingFanatic]

^^HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Have you seen whats happened to the ride? The are tearing it down with no mercy! An entire section including a loop was destroyed in 14 minutes!

As I stated before. Bogus -_-

As I looked at the area where the supposed "funstruction" is supposed to go, it seems we may have room for an extension of the race track. It wouldn't be the best thing, but there's room. Maybe it would be an elevation part of it! That would definitely be good with me! Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut it's a dream.

For all you Gadv peeps, yes. We have a diverse coaster selection. Don't get me wrong I'm happy for your big Chang Present. Plus, I love IW. Favorite coaster in the park actually. But in defense of a new coaster for Gam, you are the MOST ATTENDED in the park chain. Why my you complain about competition? Plus, your recent, yes recent addition of Kingda Ka has you all over the news, on YouTube, everywhere STILL 5 years later! And, please do correct me if I'm wrong, by I'm fairly sure a LOT of our profits helped pay for YOUR Kingda Ka.

And, by the way, thrill rides for the GP are not technical. This means that when we think of thrill rides, we think of heart pounding blood racing rides. Rides that do this to little kids normally are family rides. Little Dipper is a historic piece. Rajun Cajun is a faimly friendly ride. While they are technically thrill rides, they are so to Little Children. Not us.

Chang is going to grab the attention of the GP for a little while. Then, as someone stated, people will get bored of it Nd want more flats. Back to the beginning. We are only mad at Six Flags. Then when the fire lights up on Six Flags GREAT AMERICA forums we get mad again because we could almost touch it and it was swiped from us and given to you.

Also in this situation we must think of Kentucky Kingdom. This is their roller coaster in the first place! However, I do know it's gone from them now. Just, none of this seems fair at all. Kentucky Kingdom loses it. SFGAm loses it. And the park with the tallest and fastest coaster in the world (as well as other top rated steels and woodies) gets it.

In any case I really hope we get a good present. They would not have cancelled this plan if our other present weren't just as good...I hope...

[DiveMachine]

Well you can look at the good side of Chang at Gadv or the bad side of it

Good side:
Its something unique in the area. Most of the GP will hear standup and go "OMG! I HAVE TO RIDE THAT!". It will be popular, there is no doubt about that. Its very easy to market. GASM was in need of constant welding. Welding issues are nothing to beat around the bush or joke around about. Thats serious. It was going to have to leave, and puting something like Chang in its place(WITH room for expansion to either boardwalk or Golden Kingdom) was a nice replacement. You guys have a standup already, so it would be like sending the SLC to La Ronda, which was a stupid move and TGE could have used it..

Bad side:
Gadv is known for its large and diverse coaster collection.They added another peice to the puzzle, a standup, which is cool, but they also took out the only looper with a floor, a large peice of the puzzle. They pissed off how many people by announcing it late, and every day, people post "I can't beleive you tore down the scream machine you idiots", or "poor GASM". Many people had a sentimental attachment to the ride and giving people more of a heads up. The other point is we don't need it, I will admit, you guys deserve it more IF it were converted to floorless or IW is on its way out.

I won't defend either side, but thats just my thoughts.

[rct2wizard360]

"poor GASM"

My immaturity level is flying off the charts.

[david]

I'm nearly positive that Iron Wolf will not have a send-off party. They'll just sort of do what they did with Deja Vu'. The ACErs will know about it, but the GP won't find out.

[ragingbull1331]

"poor GASM"

My immaturity level is flying off the charts.

[acquaz10]

I'm nearly positive that Iron Wolf will not have a send-off party. They'll just sort of do what they did with Deja Vu'. The ACErs will know about it, but the GP won't find out.

Did Iron Wolf save you're park? No? Didn't think so.

[Galvan]

Is Chang going to save SFGAdv?


No I don't think so.


Whats your point?

I might not have been clear enough in one of my other posts, but im sick and tired of seeing the SFGadv/SFGAm fanboys have a pissing contest at the expense of the quality of our forums. This is the last time im going to talk about this.... The next time people will find their accounts deactivated. This garbage is done and over with.

[DiveMachine]

^He meant that the reason that GASM got a send off is because it saved the park. A little backstory:

It was a disguisting, dirty, run down park in 1988. The park was even on the verge of losing its licsence to serve food! Then, Somebody(I forget the name) convinced corporate to give the 2nd arrow mega looper to Gadv. Shockwave(yes Gam's shockwave) was originally supposed to go to Gadv. When corporate all but gave up on the park and it seemed like their was no hope for the park, they sent shockwave to SFGam. But, one man(trying to remember) convinced corporate to give Gadv one more shot. People flocked, revenue went up, the park made improvements and, while still a dirty park at the time, was saved by GASM.

Thats why it got a sendoff. Something the ride deserved.

[rct2wizard360]

Thats why it got a sendoff. Something the ride deserved.

No. It got a sendoff because it's a 20 year old ride that has been part of the skyline for about three generations. GM's don't have time to be nerds like all of us here.

/pissing contest

[david]

Not trying to start any pissing contests here, but when was Great America ever close to closure, or when did the company "give up on it"?!