Six Flags Magic Mountain’s principal competitors include Disneyland and Disney’s California Adventure, each in Anaheim, California, located approximately 60 miles from the park, Universal Studios Hollywood in Universal City, California, located approximately 20 miles from the park, Knott’s Berry Farm in Buena Park, California, located approximately 50 miles from the park, Sea World of California in San Diego, California, located approximately 150 miles from the park and Legoland in Carlsbad, California, located approximately 130 miles from the park. Six Flags Hurricane Harbor’s competitors include Soak City USA Waterpark and Raging Waters, each located approximately 50 miles from the water park.
Now for GrAm. Here is a quote from the SEC filing.
Six Flags Great America currently has no direct theme park competitors in the region, but does compete to some extent with Kings Island, located near Cincinnati, Ohio, approximately 350 miles from the park; Cedar Point, located in Sandusky, Ohio, approximately 340 miles from the park; and Six Flags St. Louis, a Company owned park located outside St. Louis, Missouri, approximately 320 miles from the park. The water park competes with numerous water parks in the Wisconsin Dells area, approximately 170 miles from the park.
That about sums it about. Magic Mountain and Great Adventure need those attractions to keep bringing people in. It really doesn't matter what Great America adds because its successful either way. A perfect, essentially complete amusement park.
Now David, every park needs revamping, I understand that. Lets see what 2011 brings. I wasn't talking perfect like that. No park is perfect in that sense I would say.
This argument can go both ways. You guys are blind and to hard headed. You want that thrill ride, I understand. So does a lot of the other parks in the chain. Every other park thinks they're the most deserving. I don't know where I'm taking this so I'll just stop typing.
And to add on to that, have you guys seen Gadv's competition? Dorney, Hershey, Kenneywood, SFA, SFNE, Clementon, just to name a few, you guys have no competition. Gadv has to stay at the top of its game. We aren't even the most visited park in the area! Hershey is beating us. Gadv needs these rides alot more than you do
^Right. To a greater extense there is TGE, Lake Compounce. Somewhat the smaller New Hampshire parks. Definitely all of the Pennsylvania parks and theCT parks. I was just naming what was on the SEC filing though. So please. Stop being the classic fanboy. Stop complaining. 14 coasters is enough. Gadv only has 12 right now, which two you actually consider kiddie coasters, NOT family coasters, and will only have 13 next year, with less flats than you, and in my opinion a crappy water park that you actually have to pay to get into. I apologize for that run on sentence. I would even consider Runaway Mine Train possibly a kiddie coaster, so you can make that three kiddie coasters. Technically GAdv only has 9 coasters right now and will have 10 next year, 13 with Road Runner, Blackbeard, and the Mine Train.
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^Kennywood is 6 1/2 hours away, SFNE 4 hours, and SFA 3 1/2 hours from Great Adventure. So to put things on the same scale with GrAm, otherwise we could start putting IB & HW, I would consider your competition to be Hershey and Dorney as they are both within the DMA's. The NY/Phil markets have more than double the population of the Chicago/Milwaukee market and therefore is capable of sustaining 3 major parks. If so many people say GrAD needs more flats, than adding a roller coaster does not address these needs. If GrAm does not need flats, but has an aging coaster collection, adding a more modern coaster would help. It's only the fault of those managing GrAd that so many of the installations in the 90's were duds, and that new attractions could not be staffed properly. Otherwise GrAd would be much better off today. I agree with many of the GrAm fans, who have watched GrAd put in major ride after major ride this decade and helped drag the company into the position it is today. GrAm is far from a perfect park. We have holes that had attractions on them for more than 20 consecutive years, and have plenty of things that should be replaced someday in the not too distant future. GrAm has also gotten substandard attractions recently too.
I think the reason why HP is beating SFGAdv, is the fact that HP is a well run, well rounded park that offers just about everything. Whereas SFGAdv was not very family friendly or clean or whatever you want to call it.
Hershey Park is an amazing park, SFGAdv is well... its got work to do.
Anyway, anyone thinking that Indiana Beach is a competitor to Great America needs to get their head examined. SFGAm has and ill say this once more really slowly so you can all understand.... ZERO competition in this market. NONE.
Not CP, not KI, not IB, not some Carnival in Westmont.... ZERO. SFGAdv got Chang, its over they can use it and market it great. But to sit here and complain about SFGAm not getting a coaster that we already have in our park is ridiculous.
Anyway, anyone thinking that Indiana Beach is a competitor to Great America needs to get their head examined. SFGAm has and ill say this once more really slowly so you can all understand.... ZERO competition in this market. NONE.
Not CP, not KI, not IB, not some Carnival in Westmont.... ZERO. SFGAdv got Chang, its over they can use it and market it great. But to sit here and complain about SFGAm not getting a coaster that we already have in our park is ridiculous.
Wisconsin Dells is a legitimate competitor, although not a powerful one. This had much to do with the building of Keylime Cove, to keep Northern Illinois Residents in the area. If Mt. Olympus was better run, it could provide the level of competition that Holiday World gives Kings Island. So, I don't agree with none and zero. Some or a little would be more accurate. GrAd competes against companies it is capable of outperforming. It doesn't have any super heavyweights like Disney or Universal in it's area, like MM does. Just because GrAm dominates it's market, doesn't mean it should stand still and take a backseat and not update any attractions.
^The Dells is a vacation resort area based purely on 70's tourist crap and water parks. SF Great America is a theme park with a free water park that is seen as a day trip. The markets are different in who they draw. Also, Mt. Olympus could never pose a threat to Noah's Ark, let along SF Great America.
At the present time, SF Great America SHOULD stand still with any major ride, coaster or not. Why add when you have no competition, others parks in need and the corporation is in massive debt? Outside of SF Mexico, every park needs something before Great America. SF Great America is popular with the public and a cash cow for the entire chain, no reason to throw money at it for a couple of years.
tribar wrote:I agree why do we need two standups one is more than enough. Also what type of competiton is a stupid carnival more than an hour away
Well, the assumption was that if Chang were to be placed here either it would be given floorless trains or Iron Wolf would take its final bow.
No, actually that was an assumption that this fan site made to hype it up even more. Which adds to my point of you guys being overly excited for a thirteen year old stand-up, when you already have on. Like I said earlier, once you heard it wasn't going to be a floorless most of you just wished it away. That wish came true. Now look at you.
Please, can we get back on topic of GASM. EVERY SINGLE TOPIC on here turns into an argument about friggen Chang. Get over it. The word should just be all out banned on the site. Stop holding a grudge. Really.
Galvan316 wrote: Anyway, anyone thinking that Indiana Beach is a competitor to Great America needs to get their head examined. SFGAm has and ill say this once more really slowly so you can all understand.... ZERO competition in this market. NONE.
Not CP, not KI, not IB, not some Carnival in Westmont.... ZERO. SFGAdv got Chang, its over they can use it and market it great. But to sit here and complain about SFGAm not getting a coaster that we already have in our park is ridiculous.
I'll disagree on the basis that Indiana Beach and the Wisconsin Dells are definitely competition for SFGAm. It's all about location. Sure, people who live in Chicago or the suburbs around the city are closest to SFGAm and it blows away the other two locations. Try living in Wisconsin for awhile (including Milwaukee) and meet some people who haven't gone to the Dells for a summer instead of Six Flags.
Fact is while the Dells may not have the theme park quality that Six Flags does (although Noah's Ark blows Hurricane Harbor away) it has way more attractions than Gurnee does. You can spend a few days there without getting bored.
As for Indiana Beach, being there a few days ago I heard guests talking about coasters at SFGAm. Obviously they have been there before, but for whatever reason that day they were in Indiana. Most likely because of proximity to where they live, but its still competition.
Comparing the competition to other parks, SFGAm doesn't have much competition and it makes tons of money because its next to one of the nation's largest cities, but people still have choices.
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acquaz10 wrote: Please, can we get back on topic of GASM. EVERY SINGLE TOPIC on here turns into an argument about friggen Chang. Get over it. The word should just be all out banned on the site. Stop holding a grudge. Really.
You are always the one who brings it up in the first place. Or if someone else does, you make sure to tell them to quit their whining so you can gloat your victory even more. We stopped talking about this about a month ago now. I can guarantee everyone on this board is sick of 90% of your posts, because they just repeat the same idea.
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tribar wrote:I agree why do we need two standups one is more than enough. Also what type of competiton is a stupid carnival more than an hour away
Well, the assumption was that if Chang were to be placed here either it would be given floorless trains or Iron Wolf would take its final bow.
No, actually that was an assumption that this fan site made to hype it up even more. Which adds to my point of you guys being overly excited for a thirteen year old stand-up, when you already have on. Like I said earlier, once you heard it wasn't going to be a floorless most of you just wished it away. That wish came true. Now look at you.
Please, can we get back on topic of GASM. EVERY SINGLE TOPIC on here turns into an argument about friggen Chang. Get over it. The word should just be all out banned on the site. Stop holding a grudge. Really.
GASM was taken down for Chang hence Chang is not off topic in this case
acquaz10 wrote: Please, can we get back on topic of GASM. EVERY SINGLE TOPIC on here turns into an argument about friggen Chang. Get over it. The word should just be all out banned on the site. Stop holding a grudge. Really.
You are always the one who brings it up in the first place. Or if someone else does, you make sure to tell them to quit their whining so you can gloat your victory even more. We stopped talking about this about a month ago now. I can guarantee everyone on this board is sick of 90% of your posts, because they just repeat the same idea.
w00dland wrote:You are always the one who brings it up in the first place. Or if someone else does, you make sure to tell them to quit their whining so you can gloat your victory even more. We stopped talking about this about a month ago now. I can guarantee everyone on this board is sick of 90% of your posts, because they just repeat the same idea.
I'm pretty sure I'm not gloating victory. If you go back to page to, I was agree with Bizzaro Badger, because he was the one telling people to stop whining about Chang. I could care less if people don't care about my posts. If you think they're all the same idea, its because all topics lead to the same idea. Its the butterfly effect of Chang.
Now if you don't want me on this site, ban me. It seems desperate for money because its one of the only theme park sites with ads, which you don't usually see, no offense. When I visit I'm generating revenue. So. Yeah. You can just ban me if you think 90% of people are sick of me.
Tribar - I meant not another which park is better thread, which I agree. I was helping turning that into this.
Don't post about something you don't know about. Web ads do not work like that. When you actually click the ad, then they make money. How else do you think they can pay for the biggest SFGAM resource on the web?
monsterfan99 wrote:^The Dells is a vacation resort area based purely on 70's tourist crap and water parks. SF Great America is a theme park with a free water park that is seen as a day trip. The markets are different in who they draw. Also, Mt. Olympus could never pose a threat to Noah's Ark, let along SF Great America.
At the present time, SF Great America SHOULD stand still with any major ride, coaster or not. Why add when you have no competition, others parks in need and the corporation is in massive debt? Outside of SF Mexico, every park needs something before Great America. SF Great America is popular with the public and a cash cow for the entire chain, no reason to throw money at it for a couple of years.
The owner is the only one who can give you all of that info. Only He and his sister were around from the start.
You also underestimate this place. While I can't find attendance numbers yet, I'm guessing they outdraw Noah's Ark already. 5 -10 years from now, there is no telling how much bigger Mt. O could be. They can offer more than Noah's to do now, and if you include the surrounding area, can offer more variety than GrAm also. I'm no fan of the place, but it is definitely an up and comer.
david wrote:The GP did not like ShockWave, so they gave it up. The GP will probably not like Chang either. No point.
Are you talking about Shockwave at GADV? Because if you are, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Shockwave was extremely popular the whole 3 years it was at GADV, but they knew Batman: The Ride would be more popular and to get it they had to give up Shockwave, so they did that.
And if Shockwave was popular despite its painfulness, than so will Chang. The Ride Rotation Program doesn't go on whether people like something. Do some research next time. Please just stop whining about it and use logic in your arguments against us getting Chang.
And for those of you who think that GADV needs flats and this isn't helping, consider this - We haven't gotten a unique thrill ride for what will be five years. The GP is starting to notice this, and Hershey and Dorney are right nearby. I'm willing to bet that Chang is going to come with some new flats near it this year, and once they're clear on getting a popular new addition, then we'll see many more unique flats coming into the park. Chang is just the first step to ensure the visitor flow.
^Please don't take this as an insult but having the worlds tallest and fastest rollercoaster and probably the #1wodden coaster in the world doesn't give you enough of a visitor flow?
If you thing your going to get a 150 ft stand-up, and a major flat package, I think you dont know what your talking about. My guess is that next year, great adventure will get chang, just chang. Then the next 2-4 years they will at some flats. It will be at least another 3 years until you get another big ass coaster.
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