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Postby Coaster Justin on October 18th, 2009, 1:14 am
I think the Reason why Fanboys are Not Liking 40-50ft FAMILY Coasters as much as they did in the 80s and 90s was Because that Was Different Times Think About It: There were no 300, 400ft, 10 Looping Coasters. Most Coasters in the 90s (Batman, Iron Wolf, Viper) were more of QUALITY coasters and not QUANTITY coasters. Top Thrill Dragster is a Good Example of a QUANTITY Coaster and Iron Dragon is a QUALITY coaster.


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90s- Fast, Intense, Exciting, As Many Elements as Possible
00s- Height, Speed
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Postby FParker185 on October 18th, 2009, 4:05 am
But its still a roller coaster. And and true roller coaster enthusiast would appreciate it for what it is and not complain about it. I've ridden dozens of the same coaster outdoors with no themeing. It never really bothered me and they are quite popular with the GP.

You know when you get on a wild mouse that it's probably not going to be anything popular or special, but it's still a roller coaster, and each one is worth riding in it's own right besides for the credit.

Basically what I'm kinda getting at is real roller coaster enthusiasts are becoming rarer and rarer. Everyones got a beef with something. Not that there's anything wrong with not liking a certain coaster or certain type of coaster. Personally I think Dark Knight was a poor fit for SFGAm and I'm not a huge fan of it, but in the end it's a roller coaster. True coaster enthusiasm is about going up to a cookie coaster coaster and finding something good or enjoyable in it. And to tell the truth I just don't see that much anymore.

Now I don't admit to doing this all the time, but I do try as hard as I can. Roller coasters are about enjoying any and all roller coasters and not complain about a ride, the person or park that made the decision to install it or anything else. Every single roller coaster out there has something unique about it, even if it is a common wild mouse, Boomerang, SLC, Wacky Worm or other kiddie coaster. It's a combination of operating policies, scenery, how the individual ride runs along with the overall "feel" of the park it's in along with a bunch of other factors. For instance up until last year High Speed Thrill Coaster at Knoebels was a common kiddie coaster layout, there are literally a hundred of them around, however the enjoyable atsmosphere of Knoebels combined with the unique positioning of the coaster and the fact it had a gasoline lift engine that could really make the coaster move fast made a standard kiddie coaster something a whole lot more than it was.

I rode a coaster just like Dark Knight at Funtown Splashtown in Maine this year, It is new to the park, just came from the Maryland shore, it's a Maurer Soehne Wild Mouse and it's an exact clone of Dark Knight but outdoors. The fact that is was in a heavily forested area with a nice view from the top of the Atlantic Ocean made it so much more than just another Wild Mouse, that it was a pretty cool experience. Am I going to rank it as a top 10 or even top 100 coaster..No, I'm probably not, but at the same time I'm not going to criticize it at a waste or for anything more or less that it is. Same goes for the Wild Mouse at Michigans Adventure, it's surroundings are nothing special but the fact that it's an Arrow Wild Mouse, that has banked turns makes it kinda quirky and different from most other non arrow mice. Basically what I'm getting at is that every single coaster in existence is unique in it's own way regardless of the actual coaster that is is, and the ability to see that is something that's been lost with a lot of computer chair quarterbacks in online forums and that has transferred to the hobby in real life in a not so great way.

If you can't find something at least somewhat enjoyable in every single coaster you ride reguardless of what it is, you're probably in the wrong hobby. And I'm not calling out anyone in particular out like vpirlvr456 cause I myself feel the same way sometimes. Everyone looses sight of what's really important sometimes One you've ridden alot of coaster like 300+ you start to realize that the latest 300+ foot Intamin Giga Big Thing is nice and all but you find that you end up having a lot more fun on some of the other less significant rides like Raven, CyClones and even something like Little Dipper at kiddieland. Sometimes there's just something satisfying about getting off something like Little Dipper at Kiddieland and hearing some 3-6 year old kid get off behind you with his parent(s) and realizing that that kid just had the biggest absolute blast of his life, even if I or you didn't really see anything that special in it.
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Postby vprlvr456 on October 18th, 2009, 9:36 am
woods to me is themeing, basic anything that's not a blue/red/yellow generic car on generic concrete with no scenery/themeing/etc. would be a pretty crappy ride for everyone cause you have to be like 4 feet to ride. Actually, I like all the coasters here at SFGAm becuase they're made special with themeing (I mean you too, Spacely's)
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Postby monsterfan99 on October 18th, 2009, 10:27 am
^^ A "true roller coaster enthusiast" should not be required to find something enjoyable about every ride. A "true roller coaster enthusiast" is anyone in the hobby. There is no rules or requirements, it is nothing more then a hobby. Enthusiast should not have to be the 100% love everything and basically be free PR workers for the park.

I look at Mean Streak at Cedar Point and see nothing good about it. To me, the ride hurts and does not even look good. If it were torn down tomorrow, I would cheer and look forward to what ever goes there. But apparently that makes me a "fake" enthusiast and not a "real" one.

To put this in perspective, this would be a movie enthusiast finding every movie special in some ways. There are many movie that are worthless in any way and are not in the "so bad they are good" range. There are some things in every hobby(roller coasters, movies, music, ect.) that just suck in every way. Saying so is just like saying a ride is amazing, it is expressing an opinion on a hobby you enjoy.
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Postby vprlvr456 on October 18th, 2009, 10:59 am
^ Yeah, like every movie enthusist can find something good in Howard the Duck.
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Postby rct2wizard360 on October 19th, 2009, 12:14 am
monsterfan99 wrote:To put this in perspective, this would be a movie enthusiast finding every movie special in some ways. There are many movie that are worthless in any way and are not in the "so bad they are good" range. There are some things in every hobby(roller coasters, movies, music, ect.) that just suck in every way. Saying so is just like saying a ride is amazing, it is expressing an opinion on a hobby you enjoy.


Ahhh but you see, no one ever said you had to like the ride itself, just the enjoyment of the action.
I myself am a movie buff as well, and I can put this into perspective.

I've seen some pretty bad movies. Felt like I wasted my money/time. Sure I hated the movie, but I didn't hate watching it. You learn what makes a good movie and whats makes a bad movie from watching... well good movies and bad movies. Just like you learn what makes a good roller coaster and a bad roller coaster by riding good and bad roller coasters. You may not enjoy the ride, but you "enjoyed" the experience because you did get something out of it. You now know the qualities of a bad roller coaster and you are now that much better at classifying your good and bad rides.

Yes there is something special in every movie.
Yes there is something special in every roller coaster.
Special doesn't always mean good.

Oh, and Howard the Duck? Don't be hatin.
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Postby monsterfan99 on October 19th, 2009, 11:59 am
^ First, Howard the Duck rules.

Gaining information does not make something special. If that were the case, every baseball enthusiast would know everything about a player that hit .205 in 20 career at bats. However, they do not because there was nothing truly special about him.

However, special and unique are two different things. If we are saying every coaster has something unique, I will give you that. However, special tends to be a positive word (and that is by definitions 1 and 2 from Merriam-Webster.)

For an example, I look the Dragon Coaster at Beech Bend as nothing special. It is a portable carnival ride put on concrete. It runs and looks like the average Wisdom ride of that model does elsewhere in the country. Just because there is a gravatron ride next to it and not a giant slide does not make the ride special, it makes it unique. Weather I (or anyone else) enjoyed the ride or hated it does not make it a special ride to all enthusiast.

This gets back to my main point: There is no definition of a roller coaster enthusist. If someone finds a roller coaster or park to be nothing special, that is ok; odds are someone else loves the place. There is no coaster count number someone has to break to be one. There is no club or group you must join either.

People loose sight that the hobby, on a whole, is about reliving their childhood. Remembering the joy of ride a ride with a good friend on a July night or long since past family trips. It's why The Beast will also rank high in rankings because of people's memories of it. It's why Knoble's is a beloved park because of the throw back to older days and memories. It's also why we travel days to ride a coaster that can even come close to reliving the thrill of that first ride of our childhood.
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Postby MForce4ever on October 19th, 2009, 7:21 pm
For the time being I have only one thing to contribute to this thread:

Dark Knight

When it was announced I remember the general reaction from the "enthusiast" community being: "How could they do this?! Build a wild mouse right next to another wild mouse?!?!?!" and when it opened I recall the general reaction being: "Wow that completely sucked because of the themeing/it's a wild mouse/ whatever lame "enthusiast" complaining"

Those people who are supposedly the biggest fans made themselves look very foolish because they were so opposed to the idea of Six Flags adding another roller coaster. Sure Dark Knight is no where close to the best investment SFGAm has ever made, but why would anyone who claims that they love roller coasters complain about the fact that a brand new roller coaster was added to the park?

Those types of "enthusiasts" really make me ashamed to have anything to do with the hobby as they simply make the sensible ones looks bad. If the only things you enjoy about amusement parks and roller coasters is complaining and eating, than I recommend saving your money and reviewing restaurants instead.

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Postby forddude1416 on November 9th, 2009, 7:49 am
The funny part of all of this thread is its the inverse of people who are car enthusiasts. I use to belong to a Mustang forum and everyone always did the same mods. 1-2 inch drop, 19 inch bullet/cobra/fr500 rims, duck tail spoiler, tint. If someone tried to do anything else people were like OMG NO A RICER WTF HOW COULD YOU DO THAT TO THAT CAR?1?!?!? YOU GET YOUR MUSTANG LICENSE REVOKED!

I looked photos of Scream! and i got to say that ride is one of the most unique ones i've ever seen because of where its placed. You are flying through a freaking parking lot! Why cant that be the themeing? Do you really need a press release to make you have your own fun on the ride?

Scream! at Six Flags Magic Mountain is coming soon! Embrace the ride as you go whipping through a parking lot experience that you shall never forget. Have you ever wondered what it would be like to have your own flying car? Ever wished you could just escape the parking lot by doing zero g-rolls, cobra rolls and cork screwing over everyone else? Experience it soon!


That's what it boils down to for me, have your own fun. Sure whizzer is a boring ride by technically standards... but technically everyone can suck it. Where else can you get your honey to sit on your lap on a roller coaster? Sure dark night was a disappointment to people... but i still think its an awesome ride and would ride it every day if the lines weren't so long (fright fests were a joke). Even the fact we have 2 log flume rides right next to eachother seems pointless... but yet they both are so unique to each other.

Think of all the horrible movies that all the independent film makers have made. Then along comes Mystery Science Theater 3000 and suddenly all of those movies are enjoyable to watch again just for the sheer entertainment value. Entertainment value... what a concept!

I really cant think of any coaster i've ever been on that i could say wow that really sucked. Even those tiny dragon loopers they always have at kiddie parks are still fun if not for the memories of kiddie land. I cant wait for my kid to finally be old enough to ride rides with me.

Honestly yeah the internet ruins things. You can't be informed on the internet about how bad or how good a ride is. its all about opinion. The only way a ride could be bad to me is if everyone dies everytime they ride it... then it would suck.
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Postby Necropolis on November 13th, 2009, 12:06 pm
Well unfortunately ive only been to SFGA because i cant afford to travel. Sounds like evryone who has been to other parks has the money. Some of us dont have the money. Anyways for SFGA my top 3 rides are Raging Bull, Batman and American Eagle. As long as the ride does not make me feel sick afterwards then its all good. Giant Drop and any of the water rides are good too.
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Postby david on March 11th, 2010, 12:11 am
MForce4ever wrote:For the time being I have only one thing to contribute to this thread:

Dark Knight

When it was announced I remember the general reaction from the "enthusiast" community being: "How could they do this?! Build a wild mouse right next to another wild mouse?!?!?!" and when it opened I recall the general reaction being: "Wow that completely sucked because of the themeing/it's a wild mouse/ whatever lame "enthusiast" complaining"

Those people who are supposedly the biggest fans made themselves look very foolish because they were so opposed to the idea of Six Flags adding another roller coaster. Sure Dark Knight is no where close to the best investment SFGAm has ever made, but why would anyone who claims that they love roller coasters complain about the fact that a brand new roller coaster was added to the park?

Those types of "enthusiasts" really make me ashamed to have anything to do with the hobby as they simply make the sensible ones looks bad. If the only things you enjoy about amusement parks and roller coasters is complaining and eating, than I recommend saving your money and reviewing restaurants instead.

/Rant


Calling ME a shame, because I don't LIKE A RIDE, makes you look like an ass.

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Postby Luxornv on March 22nd, 2010, 12:09 pm
I think the complaining is merely a phase that people go through in this hobby. With the ease of accessing the internet, as many of you have pointed out, many more people, mainly teens have found forums like this. Nearly all of them just want thrills and want SFGAm to tear down Whizzer and build a 500 foot tall coaster in its place. Then when it's built, they'll find every flaw they can with it and claim it was such a waste of money. Two things will happen to these people; most of them will just slowly forget that they ever read forums like this and find some other hobby. The others will mature and realize that those thoughts were stupid. I too once thought Whizzer should be removed for something much taller and faster, but after riding it a few times in the past few seasons, I actually really like it. It's not anything like Top Thrill Dragster, but it fills a different niche. I found a quote on Coaster Fanatics regarding people talking about their favorite coasters. Someone said this, "My favorite coaster is the one I'm on now." That's someone who really enjoys all coasters and enjoys the hobby for what it is.
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Postby MForce4ever on April 19th, 2010, 11:02 pm
david wrote:
MForce4ever wrote:For the time being I have only one thing to contribute to this thread:

Dark Knight

When it was announced I remember the general reaction from the "enthusiast" community being: "How could they do this?! Build a wild mouse right next to another wild mouse?!?!?!" and when it opened I recall the general reaction being: "Wow that completely sucked because of the themeing/it's a wild mouse/ whatever lame "enthusiast" complaining"

Those people who are supposedly the biggest fans made themselves look very foolish because they were so opposed to the idea of Six Flags adding another roller coaster. Sure Dark Knight is no where close to the best investment SFGAm has ever made, but why would anyone who claims that they love roller coasters complain about the fact that a brand new roller coaster was added to the park?

Those types of "enthusiasts" really make me ashamed to have anything to do with the hobby as they simply make the sensible ones looks bad. If the only things you enjoy about amusement parks and roller coasters is complaining and eating, than I recommend saving your money and reviewing restaurants instead.

/Rant


Calling ME a shame, because I don't LIKE A RIDE, makes you look like an ass.

It's simple. If you don't like chocolate ice cream, I'm not going to make you eat it. and I HOPE vice-versa.


1. I never called you a shame, I said it's a shame that people who "love" coasters complain about getting new ones because they weren't what they wanted.
2. It's not a shame you don't like the ride, it's a shame if you complain about displeased you are with it. I mean it may not be the best ride but it sure beats the empty plot of land that was there before it.
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Postby Chitown on April 20th, 2010, 1:31 am
^You have to remember MForce, that you are debating with a 14 year old.

Sorry to all the teenagers on this site, but it is true, you guys are mostly one track minded with anything you view in life. Don't try to rebutt this because all of us older than teenagers have been down this road.

To the few teenagers that appreciate variety in life, this wasn't meant against you and I applaud you for having a more mature view in life.
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Postby Chitown on April 20th, 2010, 1:53 am
I am going to go further with this because I don't want any teenagers on here to think I am an ass.

I am one of the older posters on this site along with a few others and I am sure they will agree with me of what I am going to say. If you show respect, you get respect. I don't care how old you are.

When I was a teenager, I was one track minded on music for awhile because it was the cool think with your friends. Same went with sports, certain clothes styles, etc. My point is, I got schooled by my older peers on these subjects. I loved rock at the time but kept it to myself because I didn't want to piss my friends off.

Close to this forum, I loved SFGAm when they had like 5 coasters and I was working in the Farmer's Market at 16 years of age. The park was thriving and all was good. Fast forward to today and you have 13 coasters this year operating (14 if you include Eagle as 2) and you also have a nice collection of flats and a waterpark included with admission.

Whether you like the new additions like Dark Knight or Buccaneer Battle or Little Dipper, the fact remains this park has alot to offer and you need to realize this. Of course I would love to see the next big ass multi looper coaster but with this economy and they way these park companies are in debt, it's not going to happen.

With people thinking Cedar Point is the great coaster capital, if you complain about coasters like DK, Spaceley's, Whizzer, and Little Dipper? Think about their coaster collection. Alot of their coasters are of the kiddie or family set. And some of their thrill coasters are ranked like crap.

Think about SFMM and SFGADv. They have a great coaster collection but at the same time their flat selection sucks.

Come on down to my new homepark, Busch Gardens. They have 7 coasters and their flat selection sucks. Only thing that helps this park is their animal zoo collection and a few of their coasters are good.

I have been to quite a few parks in this country and without bias, I think SFGAm and Kings Island are the best well rounded parks in this country. So with that said, be glad you live in the Chicago area.

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Postby Cole on April 20th, 2010, 7:34 am
^Id have to agree with what you have said. Sfgam is easily the most well rounded park in the chain. Good thrills, and some great family selections.

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Postby tillenterprises on April 21st, 2010, 3:04 pm
I also think that SFOT, SFFT, and SFSTL also have a nice selection of thrill and family rides. SFGrAM is the park I grew up with and will always be my "home," but for ride variety alone, I thought SFOT was the best with a nice mix of big coasters, classic rides, and family attractions- (however I'm still mad at them for tearing down the Wildcatter).
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Postby Cole on April 22nd, 2010, 7:04 am
SFStl could really use a capacity machine though.

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Postby onyxhotel08 on April 22nd, 2010, 10:25 pm
To be honest, I was never a fan of the thought that ONLY rides like RC, DK, BB, etc. appeal to families. While the moms and dads that carry their 2 year olds and anyone under what 10 looks more at the slower rides and characters like Bugs Bunny, families are made up of all kinds of people with all kinds of ages. Moms and dads need rides for them just like their little ones.

Parents can have a 11 year old, 13 yea rold, 14 year old, etc. like faster rides and not to mention that even when u cannot ride a ride like raging Bull but when u see it, watch it in action and see the beauty of the ride itself u know u cannot wait to ride it when you hit 54 inches and go on it over and over again.

Yes, we need rides for every age. We need Wiggles. We need Camp Cartoon. We also need rides like King Chaos and Superman. Just because small kids can't ride a machine like V2 does not mean someone else in the family can't or the little one won't want to ride it when he/she gets older.
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Postby monsterfan99 on April 23rd, 2010, 5:51 am
^The problem to me is how SF has chosen to go "family" with it's rides. It seems they either want something thrilling or for kids. Outside of BB, bumper cars, the train and the sky tower the rides are either kids or adults.

There is no real middle ground where the rides are truly family rides. When people mention Disney as family rides, they mean something like Haunted Mansion or Pirates not Dumbo and the former Pooh's Playful Spot. When Six Flags goes that route, as with Scooby-Doo at SF STL or Monster Mansion at SFOG, the rides are HUGE hits. Specifically, Monster Mansion is a ride that gets lines within 30 minutes and they never go away. The ride also sells a ton of merchandise, which is something the park needs as well.
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Postby Cole on April 23rd, 2010, 5:33 pm
Chitown wrote:
To the few teenagers that appreciate variety in life, this wasn't meant against you and I applaud you for having a more mature view in life.

That would be me. Im not a complainer, I accept and enjoy whats offered at our park, and if i need some variety, I can always just take a longer trip to HW, IB, KI, CP, and so on.

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