Superman (SFMM)

[david]

Wrong Thread. hahaha! (:

[Ilovthevu']

And Terminator, they had speakers on it, and it failed miserably, so now they are going to put them on Superman. And for other rides with speakers at Six Flags, you always hear I went on it, and they weren't working, and the next ride, it was working. Why even bother if they can't get it to work? To me, it's just a dumb, dumb plan if wikipedia is true. To me, this ride deserves the junkyard, and they don't need to replace it with another roller coaster. They have so many, so why get another one. Flats again to me is the problem with this park, and why their attendance is pretty bad besides their constant battle with operations. They have wonderful roller coasters, but if you can't get the whole family to the park, I'm sorry but you failed. You can have a family park with extreme roller coasters in it. And I'm sorry to say it, but even teenagers that love roller coasters want other things to go on besides roller coasters. That's why there are rides like Revolution, Giant Drop, and King Chaos at our park. Though, I would consider something like Space Shuttle America for them too even though it's gone now.

Easy, one word answer to that, wood. Medusa is notably rougher than S:RoS. X2 for some reason works flawlessly. Its the wiring. The wiring is the main problem. Make sense? Also Medusa's wires are exposed... S:RoS, the Intamin rattle is what gets to the audio.

It seems like all you do is complain complain complain. Their attendance is not bad at all, I do not know what you are thinking. Flats... those could be coming. Just wait. They failed at the family park idea. They're never going to get the whole family like Disney does. Why? Because Disney is right up the highway. Knotts, same thing. Thomas Town failed miserably, nothing else in recent years has failed at all. Do some research.

You are just making excuses for failed audio on the rides. If they can't figure it out, they should just leave it alone. Their attendance isn't really that good for a park that is open almost ALL year, and for how many roller coasters they have. With all the money they put into this park, their attendance should be at least above 3 million. Knott's is even better. I like Magic Mountain, but Shapiro started the yanking of flats out of the park without replacing them, and than here they go again worrying just about the roller coasters. I have the right to complain about a park that in my opinion should do better for itself. I think the neglect of the flat rides has to do with them worrying so much about adding brand new coasters, and dealing with the budget.

When I went on that Himilaya, it looked bad, and that ride they took out looked pretty bad too. You can just tell where there money is going. I like Magic Mountain as it's tied with a bunch of other parks for 3rd favorite park of mine, but it's why do I have to go to somewhere like Knott's Berry Farm to ride some good flats because Magic Mountain keeps on taking them out, and adding NONE. When are the flats coming? I'm waiting. I hope they don't take more out before they put more in.

And I complain because I want the park to get better.

[david]

Personally, I think the best thing to do is pull out all the coasters from the park and shut it down, and gift them to other parks. It's okay, I'm sure we wouldn't mind X2 or Goliath.

[deja blues]

They did have it up for sale at one point but no one would buy it because it is such a money pit. If you think about it they use so much electricity for all of their coaster (especially S:TE), much more than SFGAm, but their attendance isn't even at par with our park or Jersey's. Plus, they have to compete with Disney land and not even the best six flags park could do that successfully.

[acquaz10]

You are just making excuses for failed audio on the rides. If they can't figure it out, they should just leave it alone.

No I'm not making excuses, its pretty known that its the wiring. Go on any of those coasters. Terminator being the roughest since its a woodie, the wires are getting wiggled around and messed up and unplugged, messing up the sound.

Medusa, like explained earlier. Exposed wiring. Its a little bit rougher. B&M roar makes it hard to notice anyways.

S:RoS, Both Intamin rattle and time are to blame. Its one train that is bad. I know this for a fact actually, to get the ride open in time, the yellow train's audio was rushed, meaning the wiring connections and everything. Therefore it's been messed up when going through the parts with the noticeable Intamin rattle.

X2 has a different wiring system I think. I don't know why it works good but it just does.

For Superman I think it would work fine, but who even said they're going to put audio on it? Wikipedia? Since when is that a creditable source? Don't overreact to something before it gets announced please.

Their attendance isn't really that good for a park that is open almost ALL year, and for how many roller coasters they have. With all the money they put into this park, their attendance should be at least above 3 million. Knott's is even better. I like Magic Mountain, but Shapiro started the yanking of flats out of the park without replacing them, and than here they go again worrying just about the roller coasters.

Attendance is fine. Why is it bad compared to Knotts? Easy. Its marketed for the thrill seeker. I can find you a document of their plans back in 2005 or 2006 to get the attendance up, which includes the plan of Thomas Town. But that failed miserably. The reason why its so bad is because it had a history of violence and a gang hang out. Its gotten a lot better though. Yes, the flat rides is a problem, but I have a feeling that a few may pop up in 2011, you never know.

[david]

Attendance is NOT fine. The park is open 6+ months more than ours, and we get equal or more people than the park.

[monsterfan99]

Their attendance isn't really that good for a park that is open almost ALL year, and for how many roller coasters they have. With all the money they put into this park, their attendance should be at least above 3 million. Knott's is even better. I like Magic Mountain, but Shapiro started the yanking of flats out of the park without replacing them, and than here they go again worrying just about the roller coasters.

Attendance is fine. Why is it bad compared to Knotts? Easy. Its marketed for the thrill seeker. I can find you a document of their plans back in 2005 or 2006 to get the attendance up, which includes the plan of Thomas Town. But that failed miserably. The reason why its so bad is because it had a history of violence and a gang hang out. Its gotten a lot better though. Yes, the flat rides is a problem, but I have a feeling that a few may pop up in 2011, you never know.

For the amount spent on the park in rides, marketing and upkeep attendance is not good. It's great the park is getting better, but when other parks in the chain are propping this money pit up, there is a huge problem. Wasting money on Superman is not the way to making the park better.

[BLADE]

^^^One problem is the attitude of people who live out there. On a TPR link, a fellow described their coaster collection as decent. I commented that it was way better than that and got blasted for it. I've been to MM, CP, and a handful of other parks this year, and MM has the best coaster collection I've ever experienced. It is certainly world class. Very few parks can match the quality, quantity, and variety of coasters that MM has. But these people think they need this and need that, like they are entitled to it. They have little appreciation for what they do have.

[bizarroboy]

People from different parts of the country have different expectations of things in the world I swear.

[BP317]

Wasting money on Superman is not the way to making the park better.

Re-doing the launch may not only make the ride faster but also more manageable and cheaper to operate. I don't get how that is a bad idea. I don't know exactly the speed STE runs at right now but it felt like maybe 60-70mph. The people that live in Southern California have not been on TTD or Kingda Ka (lets ignore Knotts now because that park is a joke in so-cal). When STE re-opens, even if it's not as good as those, I have yet to go on a ride that goes 100mph that is not thrilling. Plus STE is 400 feet tall and one of the most recognizable rides in the park. When tourists come to SFMM it is one of the main rides that they are looking forward too, it just makes SF look bad having it as a giant rust bucket.

The one thing that makes me nervous is the capacity, especially if they do a backwards "bizarro" side. It's a cool idea however it would be taking an already low capacity ride and making the line move slower, I think a similar thing would happen at STE that happens at Mission Space at Epcot where the line for the orange side is much longer than for green.

[6Flags4Evr]

If they redid the whole launch system and it made the ride more reliable and go the full speed it's supose to it could be the second best ride in the whole park aside from X2.

[Ilovthevu']

^No, in my opinion. It goes up the hill, and comes down the hill. There isn't any pop at the top like Top Thrill Dragster, and there is no twisty thing where you go down like on Top Thrill Dragster, and I love that part. Besides that, compared to a ride like V2, it goes once up, and comes down once. V2 keeps on going back and forth, and at one time it used to stop on stop, and it still has the twisty spike. What's the big deal with this? They probably are going to put in another $10 million into this ride using the cable system which has proven to be a bad system when launching coasters. Even though it might work most of the time, there have been those times when the cable snaps because these parks must not be replacing them enough, and than they have accidents. You are essentially whipping the cable on these accelerator coasters, and what do they expect to happen.

They really need to start protecting these cables from people. For lifthill chains, they put them in a rectangular box so if it breaks, it doesn't just start hitting the people on the ride. The cables in my opinion need to go through something like that. That's really what they should start doing since they must not be replacing them enough. I mean you look at Giant Drop, and on a windy day those cables are just whipping around the tower, and they don't operate it. Why aren't they secure within a "rectangular box" so they wouldn't have that problem, and if a situation occurs again, the cable wouldn't catch anyone. I understand that now it would be hard to configure something like that, but these cables are just not a great idea. Granted though, you have Condor, and Sky Trek Tower in which there have never been problems, but at the same time, those cables don't get whipped like a slingshot on a 100 something roller coaster.

[Galvan]

Attendance is NOT fine. The park is open 6+ months more than ours, and we get equal or more people than the park.

Yet another example of your ignorance and flat out not knowing what the hell your talking about...


SFGAm, has ZERO competition in its market. Name a major park with-in 150 miles from SFGAm, Answer (0)..
Now same question, only change SFGAm to SFMM, And whats your answer? Well there's what Disney, Universal, Knotts, Legoland.... On and on and on.

SFMM, is and will always be a "thrill seekers park" and theres nothing wrong with that IF the company managing it knows what the hell they are doing in the first place. Up until recently, SF was clueless as to how to manage SFMM, now it seems they have a very good idea considering that Jay Thomas is running the show there. I know how much David you like to run your mouth about talking to Hank Salemi blah blah. Well I have had lunch with Jay Thomas before, they guy is on point with how to run an amusement park and is just what SFMM needed. That and some help from Shapiro got SFMM back to being a park that you dont have to worry about getting shot at.

Its really simple, SFMM is not and should not never try and compete with Disney in SoCal, its going to lose 100% of the time.

[acquaz10]

Anyone who wants that 2006 document with about 80 slides on how SFMM planned to get attendance back up, and how it definitely succeeded, just PM me. I can't give you the link because I can't find it. Or you could just Google, "Jeremiah F. Noneman Six Flags Magic Mountain" and it should be the PDF. I haven't read everything in it but knock yourself out. It will most likely answer all you're questions. Jeremiah F. Noneman is a marketing researcher or something. I don't know exactly.

[Ilovthevu']

in my opinion, Thomas Town failed miserably because it's one Zamperla train ride, and basically a rethemed ride they had already. Than, there is that water thing. Big whoop! On top of that, they changed X into X2, and believe the marketing was geared more to X2 than Thomas Town.

This is the Thomas Train ride at Magic Mountain where they don't have many props.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQZ43auAo_U

This is one at Discovery Kingdom where they have more props.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nftck5TG ... 1&index=25

Still a 2 minute train ride isn't really that great. How long was Kiddieland's, and how long is Great America's big train? To me, this was a poor edition because it's not enough and when was the last time, they actually added something toddler aged to the park? And I also kind of feel that asking those questions every time a person rides the ride is going to get old on the parents, and the kids too. Wouldn't it be cool too if Thomas actually talked to the trains in the shed instead of the people just spieling the whole time, and really to go with the show, why is there only 1 track? Why isn't some other train on another track like Rosie, and what about Bertie the Bus, Toby, or the evil Diesel Engines?

And I don't think you can get away with putting just one toddler major ride, and automatically convince people that hey we have changed, and that we have enough family rides, and thrill rides. Take Kiddieland for example. There is no way you are going to get a ton of teens if you add ONE major teen ride to that park. Yes, I know the park is closed, but it's an example. They just aren't going to come unless it's significant enough to them. And in that article, it says 21 million people live within 150 miles from the park, and Six Flags Mountain gets under 3. There are just some big problems when they can't get more. And in the article, it says Magic Mountain doesn't get a lot of vacaction visitors. Well, is Six Flags advertising out of market, or not? Probably 80% of SFGAm people have no idea there is a Magic Mountain.

[acquaz10]

All the Thomas Towns suck, with the exception of the new one at SFA. Don't even talk about it because its pointless, everyone knows they are a failure.

Remember those slides are from 2006. Things have changed. Why market it as a vacation destination anyways? The point of Six Flags is to have something in your backyard essentially.

Magic Mountain won't be focussing on families anymore anyways, stop complaining.

[Goku1910]

I just saw a Great America ad.

"More Splash! More Fun! More Flags! More Fun!"

Yeah, Hurricane Harbor expansion.

I believe that belongs here: http://www.sfgamworld.com/forum/great-america-forum/topic10865.html

[david]

Wrong Thread. hahaha! (:

[Ilovthevu']

They say it's not going to get Bizzaro theme!

"Magic Mountain officials have released few details about the planned overhaul, saying only that the Fortress of Solitude ice cave entrance will remain and the Superman figure will return to the top of the 415-foot tall ride. Amusement park officials quickly denied Internet rumors that the ride would receive a Bizarro retheming based on Superman’s evil clone."

http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-bl ... ount-7321/

[david]

Old News, but good that someone posted it here.