SFMM New Coaster in 2010

[BP317]

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Magic Mountain expects to unveil the name, theme and logo for the new ride by the end of November

[vprlvr456]

Didn't we know this already?
They're acting like 3 years is a long time, well I think a 8 year break (if Chang comes true)from a major coaster is the norm

[Jcoaster95]

Having 17 coasters will NOT make it the roller coaster capital of the world. Cedar Point has much better coasters, and has been around longer.

[tp41190]

Having 17 coasters will NOT make it the roller coaster capital of the world. Cedar Point has much better coasters, and has been around longer.

GP wants quantity. And they want to go wherever the Golden Tickets tells them to go.

[monsterfan99]

^Except SFMM is not known as a national park. Six Flags is seen as the regional park. They can put up 50 coasters and SFMM will still not be a nationally known park. Cedar Point has nearly 100 year history, years of TV specials in the 90's about the park and broke 3 of the major height records.

The sooner SF management gets this, the better. They have nothing to gain from this nationally and are just throwing money away.

[tp41190]

^True however they can still attract all the states west of the Rockies that do not want to travel a few thousand miles to Cedar Point...that is a lot of people. And SoCal is all about competition. All SFMM has are coasters (unlike Disney, Knotts, Sea World, ect). So they have to keep building coasters.

[BP317]

Having 17 coasters will NOT make it the roller coaster capital of the world. Cedar Point has much better coasters, and has been around longer.

SFMM has a better coaster collection than Cedar Point. Of the parks i've been to, the best coaster collections, in my opinion, are 1: SFMM, 2: SFGADV, 3: CP. The only great coasters CP has are Maverick and Dragster, and Dragster is a one trick pony. SFMM has a great woodie (Terminator Salvation), Riddler is better than Mantis, BTR is better than Raptor, Goliath and MF are both good but not great and Magnum sucks, Ninja is far better than Draggin' Iron, and Viper is far better than Corkscrew. All the other coasters at CP arent that great either, while SFMM has DejaVu, Tatsu, and Scream which are all awesome coasters and of course X2 which is the best of either park.

[MForce4ever]

As much as I like CP and SFMM I think both are disappointing in they're own ways
SFMM: Amazing collection of coasters, but absolutely terrible operations
CP: Decent operations but mediocre coasters

But really what SFMM needs is some flats or stuff families can enjoy...

[monsterfan99]

^True however they can still attract all the states west of the Rockies that do not want to travel a few thousand miles to Cedar Point...that is a lot of people. And SoCal is all about competition. All SFMM has are coasters (unlike Disney, Knotts, Sea World, ect). So they have to keep building coasters.

But that is my point. It already is the coaster capital of the west coast. They are trying to compete with Cedar Point however. The only mix audience the parks may have are coaster enthusiast hotbed of the Dakotas or Wyoming. If someone on the West Coast wants to go for a massive amount of coasters, they are the clear winner without adding more coasters.

I get SoCal is a very competitive market. However, is it worth putting the chain in more debt to build a ride that will not make back it's investment for years? How about adding some flats to the park, something the park needs.

The chain has 13 other theme parks, 4 separate gate water parks and the wild life park. I get they only manage some of those, but still. 5 or 6 of those could use a coaster before SFMM.

[BP317]

They are adding a family coaster because families dont go to that park, and because coasters is what they are known for that is what sustains their attendance. I don't understand why some people are so convinced they are trying to compete with Cedar Point, just because their adding a coaster does not mean they are doing it for the sole purpose of stealing a slogan from CP.

[Ilovthevu']

^Yes, they are. What's the point of getting another one than? They have so many. Why not tear down Viper or Revolution because I've heard many complaints on that ride. It's a showdown. They want to beat their competition, and I betcha Cedar Point is going to get another one to outdue them. Shapiro wants the fame and the glory.

My problem with Six Flags is that they don't advertise Magic Mountain elsewhere besides in that area. Magic Mountain is a year round park, and why not capitalize on it. Disney and Busch Gardens capitalize on their destinations. How many Six Flags season pass holders don't know that there is a Six Flags (thrilling and BIG park) open all year? Maybe, advertise more towards Magic Mountain (not in California but the states to the right than) to get them to come to that park.

Cedar Point is a little advertised over here though. They are in Meijer, and in the paper sometimes, but that's about it. The thing with Cedar Point though is that it's not open up all year, and people might just say let's go to Great America instead because what's the difference? When you have people for 6 months with no rides, you can tell people they are OPEN still, and they will come if you advertise them compared to SFGAm which is now closed. Again, maybe the people around here wouldn't come (Chicago / Wisconsin area), but maybe the states closer to California would come if they would advertise heavily to Colorado, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, and maybe Idaho.

[tp41190]

^Did you just completely ignore about 1/2 of the posts that were posted above you?

[FParker185]

If I owned SFMM I definitely would not want to advertise it nationally. Actually, I'd be embarrassed to advertise it locally.

That park is about coasters and absolutely nothing else, not flat rides, not cleanliness, not guest service, just coasters. And Viper and Revolution are both still pretty popular coasters there.

[Galvan]

^Did you just completely ignore about 1/2 of the posts that were posted above you?

Something that is commonplace with that person Im afraid.

[Coaster Justin]

Hey TP1140, That's My Job to Get Insulted. I'm Very Upset Now


According to Screamscape, They aren't Getting a Wiggle's World Because of the "Success" of Thomas Town. NO, Say it Ain't So; If a Kids Train Ride can't get Kids to Go There, Nothing Can.

[BP317]

It wouldnt surprise me if that were true. I literally never see anybody in Thomas Town at MM. I think the most i've ever seen in that area is like four people. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_RXcUT4DqE (at point 2:44 in that video). Also the area is really half a**-ed and small though in comparisons to New England and Over Georgia's.

Plus who is going to want to pay $15 to park, $40 to get in (online special), $30 for their kid to get in, and sit in LA traffic etc for a place that has very little to do for their kids and a bad reputation clientele wise. Especially when one of the best family theme parks in the world is right down the Santa Ana freeway.

[Ilovthevu']

^Did you just completely ignore about 1/2 of the posts that were posted above you?

No, I didn't. I read their posts. Tear roller coasters down at the park than if you don't care about claiming the world record. That's what other parks do. They tear down roller coasters to put more in. The problem with this park is the maintenance costs, and that's because they have so many roller coasters. Why do you think Flashback was never fixed (It was supposed to get new trains, or it couldn't run.), and Psyclone they tore down? Why did this park have 1 train operation days in busy times of the year before? Because they didn't have the money because of too many roller coasters!! Having so many roller coasters hasn't helped Magic Mountain in the past.

If they want to add a kiddie coaster, that's fine with me but why aren't they tearing down another roller coaster in place of it? 17 coasters for any park is just way too many.

They never tried to put other stuff besides roller coasters recently in the park (besides a 2 ride kiddie area - Big WHOOP - Yeah, a train, and a former ride in that area already.). Roller coasters cost more money maintenance, and operational everyday compared to a flat ride. Why didn't they have the tower ride open for the longest time? It's because they don't have the money to operate it because of all the roller coasters.

I really like roller coasters a lot, but Shapiro wants to show off Cedar Fair because he's that type of person even if it's a cheap mouse to be even with Cedar Point.

[rct2wizard360]

No, I didn't. I read their posts. Tear roller coasters down at the park than if you don't care about claiming the world record. That's what other parks do. They tear down roller coasters to put more in.

"Hey guys! Just so you can be sure that we aren't trying to have the most roller coasters, we're going to tear them down just to reassure you!"

The problem with this park is the maintenance costs, and that's because they have so many roller coasters. Why do you think Flashback was never fixed (It was supposed to get new trains, or it couldn't run.), and Psyclone they tore down? Why did this park have 1 train operation days in busy times of the year before? Because they didn't have the money because of too many roller coasters!! Having so many roller coasters hasn't helped Magic Mountain in the past.

Flashback was torn down because of Maintenance issues! That's what you want isn't it? Why are you saying they aren't doing this when they are! (I don't know if Psyclone was maintenance, but no one liked the damn thing) But you know, if they proposed to remove Deja Vu, that would change your opinion.

If they want to add a kiddie coaster, that's fine with me but why aren't they tearing down another roller coaster in place of it? 17 coasters for any park is just way too many.

I don't see you complaining about Cedar Point.

They never tried to put other stuff besides roller coasters recently in the park (besides a 2 ride kiddie area - Big WHOOP - Yeah, a train, and a former ride in that area already.).

Face it, there is no point in trying to appeal to families at Magic Mountain. Disneyland is right down the road.

I'm done.

[BP317]

Face it, there is no point in trying to appeal to families at Magic Mountain. Disneyland is right down the road.

I disagree and I think Six Flags does also, afterall they are adding a family coaster.

Ilovethevu makes a good point, their maintenance costs should be a concern however taking out a ride like Viper or Revolution for what looks to be a small family coaster would be counter productive. Viper is an awesome ride, Revy might suck but it is a park icon and people would be angry if it were removed for a relatively smaller ride (plus it is built on/around the mountain).

Look at it this way: SFMM removed Psyclone and Flashback and so far has only replaced Psyclone, and Flashback is in a good area for a HH attraction so not removing a ride to build this new ride makes sense to me. If there is any ride in that park that should go it's Superman The Escape as the maintenance costs are enormous and the ride is dumb plus has terrible capacity.

[monsterfan99]

^ Here is the thing with drawing families to SFMM, how much income do the families they are drawing have? It seems with Disneyland, Sea World and Legoland near by, SFMM would be the park of choice with those with lower incomes. I am not at all saying they are a bad group to draw, but one has to wonder how much extra spending they will do in the park.

I get the park wants to draw families and I'm not so much complaining about adding a family coaster. I guess the better question is why did they no do the family coaster last year and Terminator for 2011's 50th anniversary deal? While I love GCI, their coaster's do not scream out "great for young children," then again the same can be said for THBS.

[Coaster Justin]

I Also Think They Should Remove More Coasters there and Replace them with Flat Rides... and to have More Rides Open Daily: (The Opposite of GAdv.)

1- Deja Vu
2- Riddler
3- Scream
4- Canyon Blaster
5- Viper

[MForce4ever]

I believe MM should be trying to aim to be a lower cost alternative to Disneyland but I also think that having roller coasters being the big marketing scheme of the park is a good idea because is something that separates them from the competition. So I think it's great that they are taking a step to accomplish both.

As to what Justin said; why would it be smart in anyway to spend all that money to tear down what comprises they're marketing than spend more money building other rides to replace them? I agree with what BP/19 said; they tore out Psyclone and replaced it with a brand new wooden coaster, as far as flashback I'd say it was doing them more harm marketing wise to keep it standing because it's hard to claim you've got the world record amount of roller coasters when 1 of them never operates. Besides that, seeing as Flashback was an old victim of the late Six Flags ride recycle program twice I'm fairly certain it was on it's last limb after being relocated twice (also there was probably a reason they only made one ever)

So anyway I think for the market they're in they are doing the best thing they can do.

[ttd rox]

The GP doesn't just look for quantity, but mostly height and speed or whatever is heard most often by websites and TV. I agree though that SFMM really needs some good flats and family rides.

[BP317]

Roller skater

http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com/news/stories/20091118_01.shtml

While park officials didn't reveal the name or theme, the roller coaster won't exactly be new. Six Flags is recycling this family coaster from their closed theme park in New Orleans, where it operated under the name Road Runner Express.

[Director_Guy]

^So, it's basically Spacely's Pocket Rocket,

It seems with Disneyland, Sea World and Legoland near by, SFMM would be the park of choice with those with lower incomes.

I wouldn't say Sea World and Legoland are "near by". Knotts, however, is near by. SFMM is (slightly) more expensive than Knott's and they have way less to offer (actually that's up to debate, SFMM does have the impressive coaster thing, but Knott's has flat rides, coasters, and chicken). SFMM should try to be more like Knott's rather than Disney or Cedar Point.