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Postby FParker185 on August 4th, 2007, 10:49 pm
http://www.wimmerl.com/Sonstiges/Prater ... IMG_37.jpg

There is a pic of the new train installed last last night on a Boomerang at Wiener Prater, initial reviews are extraordinarily positive, even the lack of lapbar padding they say isn't bad.

No one knows exactly who made those, but it says SAT and Made in Germany on them, no one knows who SAT is, but if those trains are successful, I get the feeling a lot of people are going to get to know the name ::)

Would be nice to see those on all the remaining large Arrow loopers and the numerous Vekomas.
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Postby Danhockey04 on August 4th, 2007, 11:03 pm
How are the metals lap bars comfortable, I'd see it rather painful if the ride was rough. But they do look like Intamin rocket trains.
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Postby FParker185 on August 4th, 2007, 11:49 pm
forgot to mention that the reviewer said that the lapbar was 5-10cm from his belly that it comes down on your legs. So it shouldn't be to bad unless you're on a ride that hangs you upside down for an extended period.
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Postby batcave on August 5th, 2007, 7:01 pm
I like the Kumbak Trains also. http://rcdb.com/ig897.htm?picture=19 It is nice to see parks actually take care of attractions, considering both Cedar Fair and Six Flags have failed to do this in recent years. Six Flags being more guilty.
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Postby EagleFan344 on August 5th, 2007, 8:24 pm
no OTSRs? I like.
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Postby zjohn1988 on August 5th, 2007, 9:00 pm
batcave wrote:I like the Kumbak Trains also. http://rcdb.com/ig897.htm?picture=19 It is nice to see parks actually take care of attractions, considering both Cedar Fair and Six Flags have failed to do this in recent years. Six Flags being more guilty.



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Postby Do I Know You on August 5th, 2007, 10:06 pm
FParker185 wrote:http://www.wimmerl.com/Sonstiges/Prater_040807/content/bin/images/large/IMG_37.jpg

There is a pic of the new train installed last last night on a Boomerang at Wiener Prater, initial reviews are extraordinarily positive, even the lack of lapbar padding they say isn't bad.

No one knows exactly who made those, but it says SAT and Made in Germany on them, no one knows who SAT is, but if those trains are successful, I get the feeling a lot of people are going to get to know the name ::)

Would be nice to see those on all the remaining large Arrow loopers and the numerous Vekomas.


I like those trains. They're very modern- and comfortable-looking. Well, I mean so longs as ops don't staple you. Regardless, they'd be better than the big boob restraints that are currently on Demon. You know what I'm talking about.
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Postby rct2wizard360 on August 5th, 2007, 10:25 pm
I'm really hoping they can get these over here.

That would be stellar.
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Postby Trailblazer Tony on August 26th, 2007, 9:32 am
Danhockey04 wrote:How are the metals lap bars comfortable, I'd see it rather painful if the ride was rough. But they do look like Intamin rocket trains.


I agree, they look pretty unpaded, however, i guess you never really know til you try them. And for that matter, i'm sure they aren't more painful than the headbanging on some of these arrow loopers *cough Ninja cough*, so it would be interesting to see these over here.
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Postby rct2wizard360 on August 26th, 2007, 10:37 pm
Are they putting these on Cliffhanger at Ghost Town in the Sky?
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Postby FParker185 on August 27th, 2007, 5:02 pm
that's some other company, though I forget the name but it may be called Rotational Motion though I dont see anything for it on Google, I know it's a real small company though, not sure they've ever done coaster cars before.
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Postby Coaster Justin on October 20th, 2007, 7:00 am
I think that Six Flags should buy these and add them to every Arrow/ Vekoma looping coaster they have. How about putting these on Demon here at Great America. Maybe the lapbar effect might make loading faster. They might also increase ridership with no headbanging and have a greater audience as kids probably won't be scared of the ride if there were only lapbars, but I don't have kids so I don't know.


Imagine if this train was invented when Shockwave was still around. These trains would have made that Coaster really good and more comfortable. Seriously, when I first rode Shockwave in 2002, my mouth bled a little.
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Postby coasterkid94 on October 20th, 2007, 9:59 am
^ I think Demon could really use those trains. They don't look too comfortable from the picture, but I guess the fact of having a lap bar instead of Demon's harsh OTSRs sounds great. The only thing is that I think kids would be more scared to go on Demon if it only had a lap bar. When I went on Raging Bull with somebody who isn't a huge coaster fan, they kept on talking about how they were frightened by the fact that it only had a lap bar, and it didn't feel too "secure".
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Postby cycamps on October 20th, 2007, 7:46 pm
It's sorta weird to see a coaster that has inversions have lap bars.
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Postby KyleK414 on October 21st, 2007, 4:02 am
cycamps wrote:It's sorta weird to see a coaster that has inversions have lap bars.


I agree with cycamps, but disagree. If these restraints are hydraulic and not pneumatic, I think they could and do work very well.

The thing is, is I love Viper (with a lil room) and I love Bull wiith it all the way down cause of the heights and "inversions."

I love BtR and DV. Even loved Shockwave *cry*. I like feeling strapped in yet powerless. But thos OTRS's use pneumatic type drives. If BtR was to have this with, I think, a hydraulic system with just lap bars, it would be AWESOME!!!!

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Postby DejaVuGurl1203 on October 21st, 2007, 8:36 am
coasterkid94 wrote:^ I think Demon could really use those trains. They don't look too comfortable from the picture, but I guess the fact of having a lap bar instead of Demon's harsh OTSRs sounds great. The only thing is that I think kids would be more scared to go on Demon if it only had a lap bar. When I went on Raging Bull with somebody who isn't a huge coaster fan, they kept on talking about how they were frightened by the fact that it only had a lap bar, and it didn't feel too "secure".


Heh, I was a bit nervous to go on Mr. Freeze because of that. But I love it with just a lapbar.

It would be awesome if Demon got those trains.
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Postby coasterkid94 on October 21st, 2007, 12:18 pm
I haven't been on Mr. Freeze, but if it still had those OTSRs it would probably kill your neck.

Which ride would you say is rougher - Mr. Freeze or Demon?
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Postby rct2wizard360 on October 21st, 2007, 12:53 pm
Both of those aren't rough coasters.
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Postby coasterkid94 on October 21st, 2007, 7:57 pm
^ I haven't been on a ton of different coasters, but from my personal experience Demon was a pretty rough coaster on my head, especially because I am pretty short.
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Postby BP317 on October 21st, 2007, 8:23 pm
Theres no way any insurance company would agree to lapbars on Demon, just look at California Screamin.
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Postby FParker185 on October 21st, 2007, 9:27 pm
what's so different between Demon and the other dozen or so multi loopers in the US with lapbars, like all the Premeir coasters.

Also further up in this thread, I dont believe the schafer lapbar train is Hydraulic nor Pnuematic, partially cause there is no such thing as a pnuematic restraint locking mechanism. Pretty sure it's a standard ratchet.
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Postby RagingBullFan on October 21st, 2007, 10:50 pm
Parker, there is a Locking Pneumatic restraint.

Ragin' Cajun uses them.

I forget who manufactures them, they are OK, but after a little bit of time exhibit a lot of creep.
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Postby FParker185 on October 23rd, 2007, 7:39 pm
well those are french and dont count :)

Air has to much spring to be an effective locking mechanism, figured those were Hydraulic, but again, is a French design.

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Postby coasterkid94 on October 24th, 2007, 5:43 pm
Does El Toro have hydraulic locking restraints? Or is it pneumatic?
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Postby FParker185 on October 24th, 2007, 11:00 pm
Intamin uses exclusively Hydraulic
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