Yesterday while standing in line for one of my 7 trips on DejaVu, I was talking to my friend Aaron about how good it was too actually see DejaVu up and running for the whole day(Minus the Rain and the Air Valve thing)Well :Name edited it: the ride op at the time interjected and said "This ride is the most reliable ride in the park, even after Superman"Now, at first i kinda laughed at this rather hilarious statement. But :Name Edited Out: was far from laughing. in fact he stated that he was serious and said "Beleive me, i work here" Ok, being the smartass that I am, i said "Well what about the 2 years or so that this ride was broken down?":Name Edited out: "This ride wasnt broken down it just wasnt ready."Wasn't ready come on :Name Edited out:, whats the whole truth on this?I then said "Well its probably more reliable now since it has a new train":Name Edited Out: then interjected once more saying that:"This ride never got a new train, it was just modified"Now that last part could be true. But i was at the park on July 24th(My birthday btw )And i saw what i thought was a brand new out of the box train.Now being a regular on this site, and on other Internet sites about GA and more so about Deja Vu. I find this personally a spit in the face. How do you guys feel about this? Let me know Post your Thoughts here.
Man thats funny the guy works there and i kno more about it than him. You should of asked him y it valleys to see what he would say. He would probally say we make it do that or some bs.
He's probably telling you the truth. I wouldn't be surprised if Deja Vu has had the least amount of downtime in the park this year. Reason being, you can't have downtime if the rides not open.
Its how he said it had less down time than S:UF. S:UF is one of the most reliable coasters. I find that rather odd but DV has been pretty reliable this year.
Can you say for 100% certainty that the train is new out of the box? I'm not saying that it is or it isn't. But this kid, whomever he may be, might know what he's talking about.As a ride operator, I find your and whiteygabe's remarks offensive. I personally am quite angry that you would use a ride-ops name on the internet. Did he give you permission to post that stuff? Did he? Or to use his name?All you people who think you know what goes on there, have absolutley NO IDEA. We try to do a damn good job for what we have to put up with. We deal with it all day long and for you to come up and start arguing with us about operations at the park is very disrespectful.
Whoa dude.Since when do ride-ops at an amusement park get special treatment? So what if he used his name. Last time I checked, you guys have nametags attached to your shirts. If the park wants the public to know what your name is, than I don't see a problem with using your name online. You aren't celebrities with patents on your names.If a ride-op says something to me that I dont agree with and he has a name tag on, I have every right to call him out online and use his name.But aside from all that, I don't see how DV is the most reliable coaster in the park. Unless DV is announced to be closed for a specific period of time, which the park never announced, its considered downtime in my opinion.Just sticking a sign out front saying Deja Vu may not operate today doesn't qualify as being officially closed.
I finally retired the Sarah Palin signature because she is now 100% irrelevant.
hahaha. this is hilarious. i cant believe that its apparently not ok to attach a name to a quote. although, if i said something as asinine as 'dejavu is the most reliable ride in the park,' i probably wouldnt want my name attached to it either.but, you know what they say..."The point of quotations is that one can use another's words to be insulting."-:Name Edited Out:
I edited out the name by request of somebody who works for the park. }It was also a personal attack against somebody which is against the Terms of Service, so rather then deleting the whole topic I just got rid of the name.I personally agree with GreatAmerica2003 on this though, I know people who work at the park and have been told that some enthusiasts just make the biggest asses out of themselves spouting off all these facts and acting like they know more then the ride operator does about the rides or park.They are around the rides almost everyday all summer long running them so there is no way a enthusiasts could know more then them about the ride. They know how many downtimes they have had in a day, how long a cycle took, what broke when it brakes down, wheather or not its running faster or slower then normal...the works. Enthusiasts don't get or know that information, nor should they since they are there to ride the rides.My point is, Enthusiasts like you and I don't know anything about the ride compared to the guy who is out there running the ride day in and day out.
im not claiming that we know any more or less. know it all enthusiasts bug me just as much as know it all ops. what i am saying is that if someone says something, they should have the cojones to have thier name put to it, and i just think that its ridiculous to call a ride that has had the problems that dejavu has had and to call i ride that i i have never once seen operate reliable.
I personally am quite angry that you would use a ride-ops name on the internet.
Well, i am personally quite angry that your company whom you work for, Does not do an adequate job of informing its customers whom i might add pay your salary, What in the hell is wrong with a ride that ultimately we as customers paid for. How does that sound? And secondly last time i checked in this country we have the right to use anyones name as long as what they said was true. So now you calling me a liar? Face the facts buddy. The ride op made a ridiculously absurd comment. PERIOD. And thus has the right to face the public's opinion on this fourm or any forum for that matter. If you find it so offensive then hire a lawyer.Oh and by the way, Since when does Six Flags employees get special treatment just because they work at a Theme Park? If i was writting for People Magazine, i could inverably use his name (First name only which by the way i did) and use his quotes as i did. The fact that you would be so angry at this is stupid. And secondly i could care less if your a ride op. And if you said a a stupid comment like your ride op brethern id say your stupid comments also.The fact that you can think you know everything just because you work there is far from the truth. And if you actually took the time to read my post, you would see that i said
:Name Edited Out: then interjected once more saying that:"This ride never got a new train, it was just modified"Now that last part could be true. But i was at the park on July 24th(My birthday btw )And i saw what i thought was a brand new out of the box train.
Since when does the words "What i thought was a brand new out of the box train" mean NEW?Michael J. Galvan reserves the right to defend his or anyone elses opinion from unfounded attacks.
Why did you say "I find this a spit in the face?" Explain that. Do you think we are lying to you? Why the hell would we do that? We have nothing to gain by lying. Other than go home and see how quick a lie makes it on the internet (and some of you don't waste time) Employees at Great America are more or less forbidden from making these type of comments to park guests. It's not that I'm angry that this particular person made this comment (because they shouldn't have) and you posted it, but it's more of a respect thing than anything else. We would hope that when we tell you people things that most would not care to know, you at least keep our identities secret. Our jobs are at stake here.With that being said, we absolutley love to talk with guests who care to ask questions like that. It makes our day. But to find a personal converstaion on the boards like that is a little unnerving.Greatamerica2003, who isn't the person who made the comments, just so everyone knows.
Then maybe the ride op shouldnt have butted into my conversation in the first place and stuck to doing his job. And secondly why blank out his name anyway? The people that read this post already know whom im talking about.And its really funny how you say That the ride ops enjoy talking abotu there rides. That is utter nonsence and totally unfounded. I know that from personal experience.GreatAmerica2003 its great that your defending your job, but thats where i end agreeing with you. Because for one thing, Im a paying customer and i deserve to know a little more then "THIS RIDE WILL NOT BE OPERATING TODAY" why you may ask? For Saftey reasons.Lets put it another way, Im sure you own a car or use a car. Well wouldnt you like to know that if you drive your car a certain way or use it in a certian way if it wont kill you or not? So then whats the difference then with an Amusement Ride? I should at least be given the option of knowing what saftey history the ride has shouldnt I?Even Airplane Manufactures and Airlines do that for its customers.The fact is that The Ride Op should never have butted into my conversation with my friend. If i was wrong so what. If i was right so what again. So your telling me the DV ride op had a great day because he rudely interupted my convo? From what i have seen in your statement, it would appear as thats what happend.Posted this Topic because the people have the right to know.This by no means is an agrument, this is several intelligent people stating and supporting there opinions.
If i said something bad im sorry. But i got to admit some ride ops are snuddy to me a season pass holder who pays there salery and ill i whanted to kno was when deja vu whould be open.btw what ride do u operate??? maybe if i go ill drop in and say hi
Firstly, I agree with Galavan316. Why the heck did the poor guy get his name removed? Freedom of Press allows you to write anything about a person unless it has intention to harm or impersonation. I don't think Galavan was doing either. Nobody has to give you permission to use a name.Magazines twist peoples quotes around all the time and I don't think that Galavan twisted the quote around. It sound perfectly believable to me. I wish I could censor my name from police reports, or house forclosure notices in papers, but I can't.About the ride being closed issue. I would personally like to see the ride history before I rode it, wouldn't you? How many of you would jump into a car that you didn't know was safe or not? Would you fly on an airline that hid its history? We, the paying customers, deserve to know what's going on. Airlines, car manufactures, public/private transportation corporations all inform their customers on the history of their product/service. Heck, car manufactures even share information that is unappealing to the customer (eg, airbag did not deploy while taking a right turn at 27 mph). The NTSB publishes information on airline disasters and maintenance problems. When we ride something with the potental to kill like a rollercoaster has, I would like to know what has been happening to the ride.Please don't take this as me saying "Rollercoasters are unsafe." I feel safe while riding them. But I would rather know that DeJaVu closed for stress fractures and know what went into fixing them in an official statement from the park, rather than get patchy enthusiast news.
The majority of us like talking with guests, some of the ride ops do not. I'm speaking in terms of my freinds at the park. I try not to associate with the jerks.Why does the park not tell you what the problems are with they ride? Thats simple. Because they DO NOT HAVE TO. There is no state law or federal law that states a park or parent company has to disclose why a ride is not operating.Why does an auto manufacturer or airline provide this information? Becuase they are bound by the law to do so. Thats not the case in the amusement industry. All that has to be done for a ride to legally operate is to operate the ride 30 cycles in a safe manner (not counting downtimes, miscatches, misparks, etc....) and the ride recieveds a permit to operate from the Illinois Labor Department, Rides Inspection Division. Thats pretty lax standards considering crash tests and other testing done on automobiles.You have no legal right to find out about this information. Do I think thats wrong? To a point. Rep. Ed Markey is working to get this changed on the federal level. I do not agree with him, and most of the coastergoing public does not either.So in a nutshell, the park says nothing about a ride because they don't legally have to.
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I agree with what Galvan, Chitown, and Aero said. Galvan does have the right to use the ops name. He knows all about that stuff since he takes a journalism class.
I know that the amusement industry doesn't HAVE to provide information, but I would feel safer if they did. I guess I'm acually with Ed Markey on this topic. If something is as regulated as the amusement industry, then why doesn't the public have the right to know this.And I don't want to sound like I'm bashing the ride ops. I've had a friendly conversation with the crew of American Eagle on labor day. That was great. Sometimes I get crabby people who would rather eat sewage than do their job. (I do respect that ride ops don't tell everything to the public)
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone on this, but Aero, you mentioned freedom of press relating to the op's name being removed. In reality, there is no freedom here, Dave owns the site, he can do what he wants to with, when he wants, for whatever reason he wants. The Constitution of the United States does not apply here in that manner. Now, because (I think) the server this is hosted on is in the US, actions could be taken to ensure the US Government doesn't change things.But in all honesty, I don't see a reason that is a reason at all to remove his name. A name is just a name. For all anyone knows, it was a made up name, and it's not like he gave a SSN or his home phone.
CoasterDude316 wrote:I edited out the name by request of somebody who works for the park. }It was also a personal attack against somebody which is against the Terms of Service, so rather then deleting the whole topic I just got rid of the name..
for you lazy people: Unacceptable posting.You may not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of ANY law. This is not only not humorous, but legal actions can and will be taken against you.
So ur calling me a jerk? I don't like being called names! I think u should apologize. You shouldnt say the stuff about people I feel ofended. And by the way do u live in Madison?
So where is the TOS volation there? There is none, Frankly i dont care if the ride op's name is used or not i used his name for the sole fact of the conversation at hand, Not in anyway to denounce him as a person or harass. Besides he's the one who butted into my convo.1 MORE POST TIL 100!
OK. I think this has gone on long enough. We can all have our opinions, and I enjoy posting on this site very much and I intend to do so of the future. I know that there are some of you who like to listen to what I can and what I choose to tell you.An argument like this will not change my opinions of any of you. It's as simple as disagreeing. Thats all.Like I said above, I enjoy posting and talking here, even if it's an argument.No hard feelings, just time to put this to bed.
i dont think that amusment parks should be obligated to inform people about the rides, but i think that, out of sheer respect to the customers and fans, that they should make the information public on thier own.its good pr. im not talking about explaing why fliddler's fling was down for an hour cause some kid puked on it...im talking about a major ride like dv, experiencing major downtime like it has.aside from the fact that they dont have to tell us, what reason is there for them to withhold that information?
)And i saw what i thought was a brand new out of the box train.Now being a regular on this site, and on other Internet sites about GA and more so about Deja Vu. I find this personally a spit in the face. 
How do you guys feel about this? Let me know Post your Thoughts here.
Employees at Great America are more or less forbidden from making these type of comments to park guests. It's not that I'm angry that this particular person made this comment (because they shouldn't have) and you posted it, but it's more of a respect thing than anything else. We would hope that when we tell you people things that most would not care to know, you at least keep our identities secret. Our jobs are at stake here.With that being said, we absolutley love to talk with guests who care to ask questions like that. It makes our day. But to find a personal converstaion on the boards like that is a little unnerving.Greatamerica2003, who isn't the person who made the comments, just so everyone knows.
