Goku1910 wrote:Public statements have already confirmed that parks are keeping their names and branding.
For now.
What they say now and what happens 5 years from, 10 years now will change. And change again, and change again.
I also disagree. A main point of the merger was the crossover of IPs. So Snoopy will come to SF pales and DC will go to CF parks.
Eventually, the parks will operate as one. They will continue on the separate brands for now but I don’t expect that to be the case forever
There will be one pass system for all parks, one named Halloween event, one named holiday event, one “Flash Pass”’system etc etc. it won’t happen right away but having 2 of everything will be confusing for guests. EVENTUALLY, it all will change. Regardless of what they say now.
You don’t merge just to leave everything the same. I’m sure we will find out much more during the next conference call in August.
I expect the “Six Flags” names will eventually be dropped from park names.
^^^^ I agree that Six Flags has more name recognition since every park is Six Flags (park name) like ours.
Cedar Fair has Cedar Point. I think all the other parks they own don't contain any "Cedar" reference. I'm going to Kings Dominion 7/3 and I've been to Worlds of Fun and Kings Island (none of which contain a "cedar" reference).
Single Day Ride Count Record
50 rides 8/17/2018 (Without Flash Pass - Coasters After Dark)
Goku1910 wrote:Public statements have already confirmed that parks are keeping their names and branding.
For now.
What they say now and what happens 5 years from, 10 years now will change. And change again, and change again.
I also disagree. A main point of the merger was the crossover of IPs. So Snoopy will come to SF pales and DC will go to CF parks.
Eventually, the parks will operate as one. They will continue on the separate brands for now but I don’t expect that to be the case forever
There will be one pass system for all parks, one named Halloween event, one named holiday event, one “Flash Pass”’system etc etc. it won’t happen right away but having 2 of everything will be confusing for guests. EVENTUALLY, it all will change. Regardless of what they say now.
You don’t merge just to leave everything the same. I’m sure we will find out much more during the next conference call in August.
I expect the “Six Flags” names will eventually be dropped from park names.
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The notion a main point of the merger was a crossover of IP's is utterly ridiculous. Ip's for regional theme parks are not that important, they aren't Disney or Universal where the IP is the core of the business. FYI, WB(DC)/Looney Tunes is a tired IP. Nobody cares about the 100th ride named after a super hero anymore. DC movies are also flopping lately at the Box Office. Looney Tunes as well as Peanuts have lost their luster long ago. Neither are producing any significant new content to engage the next generation.
The point from SF investor & Board perspective: SIX FLAGS MANAGEMENT HAS BEEN HORRIBLE FOR DECADES AND THEY NEEDED CEDAR FAIR MANAGEMENT TO SAVE THEM. They have had poor CEO's that they chose that had no experience in the amusement park industry and it showed. Their assets at major parks were severely under performing their potential for a long time. They had 16 parks/11 water parks, near many more large population areas than Cedar Fair, yet Cedar Fair was producing equal revenue for many year and now way more revenue with their implementation of the Seasons of Fun plan in the late 2010's
The point from CF investor & Board perspective CEDAR FAIR WANTED GEOGRAPHIC DIVERSITY. They have been talking about this for a decade of looking for opportunities, that's why they bought Schlitterbahn. They are heavily concentrated with 3(Cedar Point, Kings Island, Wonderland) of their 4 top producing parks in the Great Lakes area. They under perform as a whole company when they get a bad weather year in the Great Lakes region via this concentration.
I will say this again, this is a take over by Cedar Fair of Six Flags, explained before this not at all a merger of equals. SF corporate was wiped out, Cedar Fair management and culture is going to be attempted to be implemented to legacy SF parks.
Yes, there will not be 2 of everything, SF stuff is going a way like their Corporate HQ and all their executive team. The executive team is 10 of 11 Cedar Fair people and the only SF person is a temp spot with a made of title of Chief Integration Officer.
Betting 99% Fast Lane will eventually be implemented at SF legacy parks b/c it 's simpler, doesn't require 3rd party(which takes a 30% cut). That's why flash pass is so costly compared to Fast Lane. SF was giving away 30% of the gross. Meanwhile with Fast Lane Cedar Fair was keeping all the money. Always found it hilarious all the social media complaining about Fast Lane at parks like Cedar Point, when CP was charging $199 for a very busy weekend day, while SFGAm would charge $170 or $180 on a not really busy weekday where lines are 45 minutes.
CoasterRiderSC wrote:^^^^ I agree that Six Flags has more name recognition since every park is Six Flags (park name) like ours.
Cedar Fair has Cedar Point. I think all the other parks they own don't contain any "Cedar" reference. I'm going to Kings Dominion 7/3 and I've been to Worlds of Fun and Kings Island (none of which contain a "cedar" reference).
Cedar Fair management has always been about letting parks retain their regional identity and what the locals know them by. That's why they never tacked on Cedar Fair to any of the acquired Paramount parks and when they bough Dorney and Worlds of Fun, etc...
Sven18 wrote:The notion a main point of the merger was a crossover of IP's is utterly ridiculous. Ip's for regional theme parks are not that important, they aren't Disney or Universal where the IP is the core of the business. FYI, WB(DC)/Looney Tunes is a tired IP. Nobody cares about the 100th ride named after a super hero anymore. DC movies are also flopping lately at the Box Office. Looney Tunes as well as Peanuts have lost their luster long ago. Neither are producing any significant new content to engage the next generation.
While I do agree that nobody cares about the IP’s at regional, non-destination theme parks, I feel like the Peanuts as well as the Looney Tunes are making a comeback. First, both have big new movies coming up. Looney Tunes has “The Day the Earth Blew Up,” which is also hand-drawn. Peanuts has a second Peanuts movie debuting soon. These two films could definitely bring some attention back to the franchises. Second, Snoopy is pretty popular with the Gen Z last time I checked. I read an article a few days ago that I think said that Snoopy-branded merchandise and shirts were really popular or something?
JackGlass wrote:If they demolished Wilderness theater and some of the picnic grove, they could turn camp cartoon into an amazing camp Snoopy area. It's almost certain that the Peanuts will be coming to Great America
That’s what I have been hoping for. If CGA does actually close, I’m hoping that SF will move Woodstock Express into that area and destroy Sprocket Rockets for a couple of quality flat rides. Perhaps Linus Launcher and Sally’s Swing Set at Valleyfair clones?
coasterfanatic wrote:The Flash Pass is not run by a third party anymore. Salim cut that last year and it’s now run by the parks.
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I had dealings with them regarding a friend having issues with their All Park Flash Pass activation, They all claimed they are not SF employees and work for a 3rd party that run Flash Pass. The SF guest services corroborated that. The ACCESSO flash pass contract ends in 2025. Like many things with Selim he outright lied or misrepresented.
CoasterRiderSC wrote:^^^Justin - most of those sound like horror/slasher movies! The names alone would terrify little ones!
Good Point, Let's pick a better retheme for a Family coaster themed to a PG-13 movie that involved killing, Burning a Man's face off, A Hospital blows up, and a dog mauls a man.
You don't want to terrify little ones with something like that.
Sven18 wrote:The notion a main point of the merger was a crossover of IP's is utterly ridiculous. Ip's for regional theme parks are not that important, they aren't Disney or Universal where the IP is the core of the business. FYI, WB(DC)/Looney Tunes is a tired IP. Nobody cares about the 100th ride named after a super hero anymore. DC movies are also flopping lately at the Box Office. Looney Tunes as well as Peanuts have lost their luster long ago. Neither are producing any significant new content to engage the next generation.
While I do agree that nobody cares about the IP’s at regional, non-destination theme parks, I feel like the Peanuts as well as the Looney Tunes are making a comeback. First, both have big new movies coming up. Looney Tunes has “The Day the Earth Blew Up,” which is also hand-drawn. Peanuts has a second Peanuts movie debuting soon. These two films could definitely bring some attention back to the franchises. Second, Snoopy is pretty popular with the Gen Z last time I checked. I read an article a few days ago that I think said that Snoopy-branded merchandise and shirts were really popular or something?
JackGlass wrote:If they demolished Wilderness theater and some of the picnic grove, they could turn camp cartoon into an amazing camp Snoopy area. It's almost certain that the Peanuts will be coming to Great America
That’s what I have been hoping for. If CGA does actually close, I’m hoping that SF will move Woodstock Express into that area and destroy Sprocket Rockets for a couple of quality flat rides. Perhaps Linus Launcher and Sally’s Swing Set at Valleyfair clones?
Don't forget the Looney Tunes reruns on METV rn, I think for being the park that ended up giving Six Flags the Theme Park rights to WB stuff, the Looney Tunes are doing alright, especially since they're always brought out every day. However, the loss of a Looney Tunes land still blows, especially since I've heard it was well themed. Again, that's why i hope for more theming, and family stuff than rollercoasters out of this merger, I think it's the best for Great America
Old Great America was better, however I hope just a bit of that charm comes back
Blue_Toad_Coasters wrote:That’s what I have been hoping for. If CGA does actually close, I’m hoping that SF will move Woodstock Express into that area and destroy Sprocket Rockets for a couple of quality flat rides. Perhaps Linus Launcher and Sally’s Swing Set at Valleyfair clones?
Better yet, remove that terrible inefficient and lame Little Dipper and put a Woodstock Express in ITS place!
Single Day Ride Count Record
50 rides 8/17/2018 (Without Flash Pass - Coasters After Dark)
CoasterRiderSC wrote:^^^Justin - most of those sound like horror/slasher movies! The names alone would terrify little ones!
Good Point, Let's pick a better retheme for a Family coaster themed to a PG-13 movie that involved killing, Burning a Man's face off, A Hospital blows up, and a dog mauls a man.
You don't want to terrify little ones with something like that.
So you're saying Dark Knight must be renamed?
Single Day Ride Count Record
50 rides 8/17/2018 (Without Flash Pass - Coasters After Dark)
Blue_Toad_Coasters wrote:That’s what I have been hoping for. If CGA does actually close, I’m hoping that SF will move Woodstock Express into that area and destroy Sprocket Rockets for a couple of quality flat rides. Perhaps Linus Launcher and Sally’s Swing Set at Valleyfair clones?
Better yet, remove that terrible inefficient and lame Little Dipper and put a Woodstock Express in ITS place!
I rode Woodstock, It pretty much does nothing and the seatbelts prevent anyone over 30" to ride
CoasterRiderSC wrote:What about a Nintendo themed kids area?? I think Super Mario, etc is very popular now!
Universal says hi
I thought I heard somewhere that Universal has a deal with Nintendo to have exclusive rights for Nintendo IPs in theme parks. If Six Flags wanted a piece of the “video games in theme parks” pie, they could always secure a deal with Sega over Sonic the Hedgehog. (As a Sonic fan, I would love an Intamin LSM coaster where you enter Tails’ workshop and he has you test a machine that makes you go “Super Sonic Speeds.”
Coaster Justin wrote:I rode Woodstock, It pretty much does nothing and the seatbelts prevent anyone over 30" to ride
Okay. Forget that then.
GreatAmericanfox wrote:Don't forget the Looney Tunes reruns on METV rn, I think for being the park that ended up giving Six Flags the Theme Park rights to WB stuff, the Looney Tunes are doing alright, especially since they're always brought out every day. However, the loss of a Looney Tunes land still blows, especially since I've heard it was well themed. Again, that's why i hope for more theming, and family stuff than rollercoasters out of this merger, I think it's the best for Great America
In my two visits so far this year, I have never seen a single Looney Tunes character. Granite, I have never visited the park at open this year but I don’t know if that matters.
CoasterRiderSC wrote:
Blue_Toad_Coasters wrote:That’s what I have been hoping for. If CGA does actually close, I’m hoping that SF will move Woodstock Express into that area and destroy Sprocket Rockets for a couple of quality flat rides. Perhaps Linus Launcher and Sally’s Swing Set at Valleyfair clones?
Better yet, remove that terrible inefficient and lame Little Dipper and put a Woodstock Express in ITS place!
I don’t know. I’m pretty sure the park would get some ugly press if they removed such a “classic” attraction (in the eyes of the GP) and SF can’t have that, oh no! Sure, it’s okay but what I would prefer more if it the park updated the signage in the queue since their map of wooden coasters in the chain literally became outdated a year after since New Texas Giant became a thing.
On a side note, my top family/kid coasters for the park are a Gravity Group in Camp Cartoon, a Wild Moose, a Vekoma Family Launch Coaster, and a Vekoma Family Boomerang Coaster.
GreatAmericanfox wrote:Don't forget the Looney Tunes reruns on METV rn, I think for being the park that ended up giving Six Flags the Theme Park rights to WB stuff, the Looney Tunes are doing alright, especially since they're always brought out every day. However, the loss of a Looney Tunes land still blows, especially since I've heard it was well themed. Again, that's why i hope for more theming, and family stuff than rollercoasters out of this merger, I think it's the best for Great America
[quote="Blue_Toad_Coasters"In my two visits so far this year, I have never seen a single Looney Tunes character. Granite, I have never visited the park at open this year but I don’t know if that matters.[/quote]
Hometown Square
Old Great America was better, however I hope just a bit of that charm comes back
GreatAmericanfox wrote:Don't forget the Looney Tunes reruns on METV rn, I think for being the park that ended up giving Six Flags the Theme Park rights to WB stuff, the Looney Tunes are doing alright, especially since they're always brought out every day. However, the loss of a Looney Tunes land still blows, especially since I've heard it was well themed. Again, that's why i hope for more theming, and family stuff than rollercoasters out of this merger, I think it's the best for Great America
Blue_Toad_Coasters wrote:In my two visits so far this year, I have never seen a single Looney Tunes character. Granite, I have never visited the park at open this year but I don’t know if that matters.
Hometown Square
I know, I’ve seen vlogs. I walk by every time and no Looney Tunes to be seen.
Blue_Toad_Coasters wrote:That’s what I have been hoping for. If CGA does actually close, I’m hoping that SF will move Woodstock Express into that area and destroy Sprocket Rockets for a couple of quality flat rides. Perhaps Linus Launcher and Sally’s Swing Set at Valleyfair clones?
Better yet, remove that terrible inefficient and lame Little Dipper and put a Woodstock Express in ITS place!
I rode Woodstock, It pretty much does nothing and the seatbelts prevent anyone over 30" to ride
I rode Woodstock at 3 parks. Nice ride , twice as along at Little Slipper. Who cares about the "nostalgia " value of a 700 ft long wooden coaster?
As for Vekoma I seriously hope Six Flags does NOT get any of their rides. I have yet to ride a Vekoma that's not rough, let alone enjoyable. I've been on a few boomerangs, inverted boomerang, SLC's , and now a Flying Dutchman. They're all garbage in my opinion.
There's a reason they're stuff is relatively cheap compared to the other companies.
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Single Day Ride Count Record
50 rides 8/17/2018 (Without Flash Pass - Coasters After Dark)
GreatAmericanfox wrote:Don't forget the Looney Tunes reruns on METV rn, I think for being the park that ended up giving Six Flags the Theme Park rights to WB stuff, the Looney Tunes are doing alright, especially since they're always brought out every day. However, the loss of a Looney Tunes land still blows, especially since I've heard it was well themed. Again, that's why i hope for more theming, and family stuff than rollercoasters out of this merger, I think it's the best for Great America
[quote="Blue_Toad_Coasters"In my two visits so far this year, I have never seen a single Looney Tunes character. Granite, I have never visited the park at open this year but I don’t know if that matters.
Hometown Square[/quote]
I literally have taken photos with 3 different characters in Hometown Square this year!
Single Day Ride Count Record
50 rides 8/17/2018 (Without Flash Pass - Coasters After Dark)
CoasterRiderSC wrote: I rode Woodstock at 3 parks. Nice ride , twice as along at Little Slipper. Who cares about the "nostalgia " value of a 700 ft long wooden coaster?
As for Vekoma I seriously hope Six Flags does NOT get any of their rides. I have yet to ride a Vekoma that's not rough, let alone enjoyable. I've been on a few boomerangs, inverted boomerang, SLC's , and now a Flying Dutchman. They're all garbage in my opinion.
There's a reason they're stuff is relatively cheap compared to the other companies.
I agree with you the older Vekomas suck. However, the newer Vekomas are fantastic. Big Bear Mountain at Dollywood is probably the best family coaster I've been on other than maybe Verbolten. BBM is fantastic and I would love a version of it at our park. The newer Vekoma is growing fast in North America as well with family boomerangs at Kings Island and Holiday World, and Super Boomerangs at Great Adventure and now possibly Six Flags Mexico. All I'm saying is I would not complain if we got a newer Vekoma in any shape or form.
