Blue_Toad_Coasters wrote:I don’t really care if we get a refurbishment for Demon because it’s only the turn into the drop that gives me an issue. Besides that, I found no problems in the back row. If any coaster were to get refurbished, we need American Eagle. Call in Gravity Group and put some Pre-Cut Track on that.
Not that simple. Eagle's track from the drop to the top of the barrel is steel. You "could" replace the track and trains with newer stuff, but newer lightweight trains would not make the hill to the top of the barrel. When it comes to wooden coasters, the support structure is just as important as the track. Replacing the track might make it a little smoother but it won't fix the problems entirely.
It's a double edged sword.
if they were going to go that far with it, the section near Bull would need to be modified.
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Blue_Toad_Coasters wrote:I don’t really care if we get a refurbishment for Demon because it’s only the turn into the drop that gives me an issue. Besides that, I found no problems in the back row. If any coaster were to get refurbished, we need American Eagle. Call in Gravity Group and put some Pre-Cut Track on that.
Still not understanding what's wrong with the pre drop turn on Demon? And the "roughness" people are talking about. I'm over 50 and the ride is fine to me!
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CoasterRiderSC wrote:I rode Demon 4x today in the back row. Butter smooth to me!
If we get a mini dive, I'll be quite disappointed. Don't even bother at that point. I'd rather have another Hyper to go along with Bull.
Also just because we can't find online a height variance paperwork , does that guarantee SF hasn't filed it? Maybe the ride is announced and then the paperwork is made public? (I don't know how the whole process works)
Really? another Hyper, out of all things....
Yeah I don't want a junior dive. I want something spectacular and I know Six Flags loves breaking records so that's why I'm thinking whatever is coming is gonna be awesome (and not a major let down)
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Speaking of Eagle I just have to ask this. What is that clanking noise we can hear as the train hits the top of hill into the giant helix? Same with the hill into the final turn before the turn into the station.
Tardis1972 wrote:Speaking of Eagle I just have to ask this. What is that clanking noise we can hear as the train hits the top of hill into the giant helix? Same with the hill into the final turn before the turn into the station.
That’s the sound of anti-rollbacks that they have in those places to prevent valleying
If this is a dive & as much as I want this thing to be bigger than Bull, I whole heartedly believe this is going to be 150-175ft tall. This ride is most likely going to be inversion based. I'd love to see a high speed curve in there like Valkyria has after the Immelmann.
It's funny to me that everyone has put the idea of a dive in my head cause as I've said before, a dive coaster (formerly known as the dive machine) has been rumored here quite literally since Oblivion came out in 1998. Whatever Great America did, Alton thought they'd get it & whatever Alton got, we thought we'd get. Which is only accurate to us having Batman, they got Nemesis. They got Air, we got Superman. So that ideology, while somewhat factual, isn't entirely accurate. Meaning they never had a stand up. They never got a hyper. So why everyone thought we'd get a dive since they have one only made so much sense. But now it's all I'm thinking about AGAIN. I've been down this road so many times & it never turns out to be a dive coaster lol soooo if it finally happens, I may faint or shed a tear cause I'll never ever have to for another moment think "is this going to be a dive coaster?" again.
Tardis1972 wrote:Speaking of Eagle I just have to ask this. What is that clanking noise we can hear as the train hits the top of hill into the giant helix? Same with the hill into the final turn before the turn into the station.
That’s the sound of anti-rollbacks that they have in those places to prevent valleying
CoasterRiderSC wrote:I rode Demon 4x today in the back row. Butter smooth to me!
If we get a mini dive, I'll be quite disappointed. Don't even bother at that point. I'd rather have another Hyper to go along with Bull.
Also just because we can't find online a height variance paperwork , does that guarantee SF hasn't filed it? Maybe the ride is announced and then the paperwork is made public? (I don't know how the whole process works)
Really? another Hyper, out of all things....
Yeah I don't want a junior dive. I want something spectacular and I know Six Flags loves breaking records so that's why I'm thinking whatever is coming is gonna be awesome (and not a major let down)
To be honest I haven’t been on a dive coaster yet but it seems like the general consensus is that they are one trick ponies. I wouldn’t mind a dive coaster at Great America as I think it would complement the lineup very well and provide an experience unlike anywhere else in the park. The argument that we don’t need a dive because there’s another one 5 hours away seems silly to me. That being said, I don’t think a dive coaster is what we need right now. All of them have a pretty short ride time and don’t offer much else besides the drop, which is definitely not what our park needs right now. If we end up getting a mini dive next year, I fear that it’ll just end up being sort of a filler coaster for the rest of the lineup.
Dive coasters not only look super cool but are very fun to ride and much more than a "one trick pony" ! Valrvavn was actually my favorite ride at Cedar Point in 2019! It has a 2nd drop that's near 90. Sheikra was really fun too.
One could argue that Goliath is a one trick pony with just the big first drop. The inversions are so-so. Only a single airtime hill.
But as one enthusiast has said: "You like what you like!" It's a subjective thing not an objective thing
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GreatAmericanfox wrote:Nah, i rode Dr Diabolical at Fiesta and thought it was ok, the queue really made it up to me
I'll be honest, if the dive was themed to a runaway airplane and replaced X-Flight, i'd be less annoyed
Why Remove X-Flight?? It's one of the most popular and best rides at our park?! (it's my overall favorite of ANY park!)
Plus good ole Cedar Point has an outstanding dive coaster AND a wing coaster. So why can't we have both?
NO offense but you just seem very against ANY coaster coming here and want the Sky Whirl to return for some odd reason. A more realistic dream would be a huge Ferris wheel where the superloop was.
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Goku1910 wrote:I wouldn't call it super popular, it never has a long line compared to most coasters in the park.
I do find it to be grossly underrated though. Only other wing I've been on is Gatekeeper and it's not even close to as good.
really? It always has a decent line except maybe at closing. Goliath and Maxx lines are longer due to smaller trains and much less efficient operations.
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Goku1910 wrote:I wouldn't call it super popular, it never has a long line compared to most coasters in the park.
I do find it to be grossly underrated though. Only other wing I've been on is Gatekeeper and it's not even close to as good.
really? It always has a decent line except maybe at closing. Goliath and Maxx lines are longer due to smaller trains and much less efficient operations.
I find that X-Flight usually has a long a wait as Goliath most days. As for the GateKeeper argument, I thought it was better but I do think that X-Flight offers what GateKeeper has in a smaller package.
GreatAmericanfox wrote:Nah, i rode Dr Diabolical at Fiesta and thought it was ok, the queue really made it up to me
I'll be honest, if the dive was themed to a runaway airplane and replaced X-Flight, i'd be less annoyed
Why Remove X-Flight?? It's one of the most popular and best rides at our park?! (it's my overall favorite of ANY park!)
Plus good ole Cedar Point has an outstanding dive coaster AND a wing coaster. So why can't we have both?
NO offense but you just seem very against ANY coaster coming here and want the Sky Whirl to return for some odd reason. A more realistic dream would be a huge Ferris wheel where the superloop was.
Because X-Flight is mediocre And also, i'm not a fan of cramming Great America with Roller Coasters everywhere, i think there should be more family/chill stuff here, especially to take a break from the coasters. The park doesn't need to be like Magic Mountain's all thrill level.
Old Great America was better, however I hope just a bit of that charm comes back
I HATE when anyone says "there's another ___ X hours away" is so silly to me.
So no two parks should have a wooden coaster? A boomerang? An invert? Or a wild mouse? It's a park. So what there's one that already exists. Everyone had an arrow looper at one point. Everyone. Didn't stop guests from showing up cause they may have been on another. Just sayin. Just make the coaster your own with your own spin on it whether that be the name, theme, colors, etc.
gottastrata33 wrote:I HATE when anyone says "there's another ___ X hours away" is so silly to me.
So no two parks should have a wooden coaster? A boomerang? An invert? Or a wild mouse? It's a park. So what there's one that already exists. Everyone had an arrow looper at one point. Everyone. Didn't stop guests from showing up cause they may have been on another. Just sayin. Just make the coaster your own with your own spin on it whether that be the name, theme, colors, etc.
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I mean dives are * basic unlike arrow loopers, but if we were to have one here, i'd at least want it to fit with the county fair area, why is it Rashaka themed anyways? There better be some lore otherwise it makes no sense to me.
Demon also doesn't make sense, but it being a fine ride, it's theming elements, plus the explanation that turn of the century got possessed, thus giving it's current appearance is enough for me in my book
Old Great America was better, however I hope just a bit of that charm comes back
gottastrata33 wrote:I HATE when anyone says "there's another ___ X hours away" is so silly to me.
So no two parks should have a wooden coaster? A boomerang? An invert? Or a wild mouse? It's a park. So what there's one that already exists. Everyone had an arrow looper at one point. Everyone. Didn't stop guests from showing up cause they may have been on another. Just sayin. Just make the coaster your own with your own spin on it whether that be the name, theme, colors, etc.
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I mean dives are * basic unlike arrow loopers, but if we were to have one here, i'd at least want it to fit with the county fair area, why is it Rashaka themed anyways? There better be some lore otherwise it makes no sense to me.
Demon also doesn't make sense, but it being a fine ride, it's theming elements, plus the explanation that turn of the century got possessed, thus giving it's current appearance is enough for me in my book
Easy fix for that. Just retheme that area with Demon and Rakshasa to a Haunted trails area and move the County Fair entrance closer to X-Flight and the food court.
As far as cramming coasters everywhere, they do this because it is what their customer base wants. Hence the reason Buccaneer Battle just got bulldozed and is almost certainly being replaced with a roller coaster. Nobody rode the damn thing, and it was part of a failed experiment in the mid and late 2000's to turn Great America into a family park.
The customers want Great America to be the Magic Mountain of the Midwest not some Disney lite knockoff. Just go to the park and look at the people who visit it.
Goku1910 wrote:I wouldn't call it super popular, it never has a long line compared to most coasters in the park.
I do find it to be grossly underrated though. Only other wing I've been on is Gatekeeper and it's not even close to as good.
I've rode I believe all the wing coasters in the US now and have to say they are one of my favorites. XFlight packs a punch for what it is. Great overall ride. I found that for wing coasters for me at least taller doesn't mean better as my least favorite (although still a good ride was Gatekeeper). Thunderbird launch feature into the loop, fantastic. The near miss elements on these are always done so well. Great overall rides!
JackGlass wrote: Easy fix for that. Just retheme that area with Demon and Rakshasa to a Haunted trails area and move the County Fair entrance closer to X-Flight and the food court.
As far as cramming coasters everywhere, they do this because it is what their customer base wants. Hence the reason Buccaneer Battle just got bulldozed and is almost certainly being replaced with a roller coaster. Nobody rode the damn thing, and it was part of a failed experiment in the mid and late 2000's to turn Great America into a family park.
The customers want Great America to be the Magic Mountain of the Midwest not some Disney lite knockoff. Just go to the park and look at the people who visit it.
Ok, i'm no Buccaneer Fanatic, but i know there were people who liked it.
However, i think Buccaneer didn't work from a thematic aspect because it simply didn't fit county fair's theme, alongside both Yankee Clipper and Logger's Run already being a thing. If the ride was somewhere else or had a better mechanic/ride theme, it probably could've worked.
There is a market for family rides, it's just a matter of what type of ride they add and if it fits well as a ride itself and thematic purposes. That's why classics are considered classics, not just for family rides but coasters too (Raging Bull comes into mind for me)
Old Great America was better, however I hope just a bit of that charm comes back
County Fair is the ONE area that can have any theme in. It's a fair. What carnival or fair have you ever been to that has a cohesive singular theme? That's the magic of it. It can literally be anything in that area & of any other area, it makes sense. Your argument is much more valid with Superman & DK being in Orleans. I see that as much more bothersome than two demons being in county fair.
gottastrata33 wrote:County Fair is the ONE area that can have any theme in. It's a fair. What carnival or fair have you ever been to that has a cohesive singular theme? That's the magic of it. It can literally be anything in that area & of any other area, it makes sense. Your argument is much more valid with Superman & DK being in Orleans. I see that as much more bothersome than two demons being in county fair.
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Last County Fair I went to, there were way more than 2 Demons
gottastrata33 wrote:County Fair is the ONE area that can have any theme in. It's a fair. What carnival or fair have you ever been to that has a cohesive singular theme? That's the magic of it. It can literally be anything in that area & of any other area, it makes sense. Your argument is much more valid with Superman & DK being in Orleans. I see that as much more bothersome than two demons being in county fair.
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hmmmmm y'know you may have a point
Old Great America was better, however I hope just a bit of that charm comes back
And also, i'm not a fan of cramming Great America with Roller Coasters everywhere, i think there should be more family/chill stuff here, especially to take a break from the coasters. The park doesn't need to be like Magic Mountain's all thrill level.
