Whats the big hang up over cloned coasters?

[Galvan]

Many enthusists seemed to be hell bent on not liking cloned coasters, My question why?

Take for example:

Batman the Ride, renouned the world over as the ride that restarted the coaster revloution in the Early 90s.

Scream: While the name isnt necessarily cloned. The track layout is the same on other floorless coasters.

Deja Vu: Unique ride that offers amazing speed, airtime and thrills copied thrice.

There is a list as long as my arm about cloned designs and coasters, but whats the big deal if the rides cloned at another park?

Your thoughts here

[Timmy179]

Mike, I think Its a pride thing for other enthusiasts. They want to be able to say they have something no one else has.

[CoasterDude12-2]

I don't know. I don't mind cloned rides except for when they make changes on it that change the ride in some way.

[m-force 4 ever]

^if they make changes then its not a clone. I think Clones are interesting they offer a similar ride experience but in a different atmosphere.

[Maggie&meSFGAm?]

I part of the reason is that some enthusiasts enjoy getting credit on a rollercoaster. In other words, if BTR is at another park, its not another coaster that they can put on the list of rollercoasters they have ridden. To, me it just seems dumb to boost that I rode this and this.

As someone said before, lets say that I want to go to SFStL. Compare the coasters to SFGAm. Even though there is only one clone that's at SFGAm (BTR), it is almost like one less ride to ride because you have ridden it many times before.

For me, I enjoy some clones very much.

[sixflagsguy5]

I don't really mind them. The worst case is the ride sucks and you get your credit.

[EagleFan344]

Speaking of clones, other than BTR and Superman etc., what are some cloned coasters other than Great American Scream Machine (Shockwave).

[Timmy179]

Deja Vu, V2, whizzer (well used to be)

[CoasterDave316]

Also, Ragin Cajun, Demon, Viper & Spacely's can be found at other parks. The only rides we have that can't be found anyplace else are Raging Bull, American Eagle, Iron Wolf and Whizzer since PGA took down thiers.

I think the major thing is enthusiasts who travel alot, find themselves traveling to parks only to find a bunch of coasters they have already rode at another park.

I look at Six Flags America for example and that park only has a few coasters I haven't been on yet and I haven't even been there. I think it only has 1 original coaster.

For people who don't travel alot (the non-enthusiasts)....clones are great. You get a good ride that you probably would have never got to ride unless you traveled built right near you.

I know I wouldn't mind a clone of X, Scream or Mr. Freeze at SFGAm .

[Raging_Bull]

unlike the GP enthusiats get around to parks all over and want unique ride experiences. 90% of the people who visit SFGAm don't know there are any other B:TRs or Vus.

[CoasterDude12-2]

I thought Viper was the only in-house SF cosater built. Other then it being cyclone style it still can't be found at any other park unless i'm severley mistaking.

[ihauntu2]

I part of the reason is that some enthusiasts enjoy getting credit on a rollercoaster. In other words, if BTR is at another park, its not another coaster that they can put on the list of rollercoasters they have ridden.

As someone said before, lets say that I want to go to SFStL. Compare the coasters to SFGAm. Even though there is only one clone that's at SFGAm (BTR), it is almost like one less ride to ride because you have ridden it many times before.

Well the BTR at SFSTL isn't an exact clone of BTR at SFGAM. The BTR down here is a mirror image that is completely bass ackwards from the original. All of the elements occur in the same order, but in opposite direction. The first drop is to the right, the zero g-roll is the same direction, but the flat spins / wing overs are opposite directions.

I only noticed it because I''ve ridden the SFSTL one enough to have it memorized with my eyes closed. When I rode it at SFGAM, it was almost like a completely different coaster, epecially when you look at the theming. At least the one in SFGAM is like flying through a park, and not an empty gravel lot.

[punkbunny24242]

I was going to say that!! It's actually quite different then our B:TR here. First time I rode it in St Louis I was so confused!!!

Hey this is a little off topic but we are planning on taking another trip to SFSTL again this season and we were thinking Fright Fest. How is Fright Fest there? I would imagine that it would be crazy because there would be so many places that charecters could hide.

[ihauntu2]

^I'll PM you about Fright Fest just to stay on topic. You can also look at TR's on this board from SFSTL Fright Fest. I think that I added some comments to one.

Good to see that the confusion on BTR works both ways. For a second I thought maybe it was only me.

[Galvan]

Speaking of clones, other than BTR and Superman etc., what are some cloned coasters other than Great American Scream Machine (Shockwave).

Cyclone at Cloney (sp) Island in New York us the bench mark for most SF Woodies: IE Viper, Pysclone etc etc.

Ninja is also a name used alot in SF parks, As is Viper.

Titan at SFOT is a clone of Goliath at SFMM i beleive as well

Rolling Thunder was a named used for a bobsled ride at SFGAM and is a Wooden Racer at SFGadv.

Superman Ride of Steel is another clone at least the name is but i dont know if the rides themselves are clones.

[w00dland]

I thought Viper was the only in-house SF cosater built. Other then it being cyclone style it still can't be found at any other park unless i'm severley mistaking.

Well technically it was built inhouse by Six Flags. But it has nearly identical layouts to all the other Cyclone coasters out there.

[FParker185]

Speaking of clones, RAjun Cajun is about to have 82 more brothers and sisters in the coming years

Yes, the Zamperla Sales Team really is that good (Martins Fantasy Island is #6 of 83, and Beech Bend will be #8 of 83 I believe, with Farrow Shows being 7)

[EagleFan344]

Speaking of clones, other than BTR and Superman etc., what are some cloned coasters other than Great American Scream Machine (Shockwave).

Titan at SFOT is a clone of Goliath at SFMM i beleive as well

Can anyone confirm this?

[EagleFan344]

Titan and Goliath arent clones...

Titan is taller, :30 seconds longer, and has a 812 ft. longer track.

[SF Critic]

I look at Six Flags America for example and that park only has a few coasters I haven't been on yet and I haven't even been there. I think it only has 1 original coaster.

Your so correct. As this being my homepark every coaster is cloned expect for Wild One.

Roar was custom in 1998 until cloned at SFMW that year after. I've heard the ending of the Roar at SFMW is different than the original at SFA, and they have millennium flyer trains while SFA doesn't. Many people still see it as a clone though.

If you don't know Wild One is the oldest operating coaster in the Six Flags chain. This ride dates back to 1917; the ride is currently 88 years old. An out and back classic with a helix at the end of the ride. Happens to be my first coaster ive ever ridden and one of my favorites.

All the other coasters are cloned are just a mirror image at SFA.

Well the BTR at SFSTL isn't an exact clone of BTR at SFGAM. The BTR down here is a mirror image that is completely bass ackwards from the original. All of the elements occur in the same order, but in opposite direction. The first drop is to the right, the zero g-roll is the same direction, but the flat spins / wing overs are opposite directions.

Don't forget SFNO (New Orleans) BTR. They also have the same layout just like SFStl. The only difference is that they have seven cars on the train and they have the clean theming.

[Director_Guy]

Titan and Goliath arent clones...

Titan is taller, :30 seconds longer, and has a 812 ft. longer track.

Not true. Goliath and Titan are both 255 feet. Although I was crushed when I saw that another park had Goliath. So I know what it's like to dislike "clones".

Things like Scream!, Viper, and The Batman you were speaking of, I wouldn't consider clones...They are different rides, even if it's different by doing something as simple as flipping it aroud. That still makes it different. That's why I consider American Eagle to be two rides, both tracks are different.

I do find it funny, though, that at Magic Mountain it's called Psy'clone' ....get it?! HA! HA! ...sorry...

[EagleFan344]

Titan and Goliath arent clones...

Titan is taller, :30 seconds longer, and has a 812 ft. longer track.

Not true. Goliath and Titan are both 255 feet. Although I was crushed when I saw that another park had Goliath. So I know what it's like to dislike "clones".

Things like Scream!, Viper, and The Batman you were speaking of, I wouldn't consider clones...They are different rides, even if it's different by doing something as simple as flipping it aroud. That still makes it different. That's why I consider American Eagle to be two rides, both tracks are different.

I do find it funny, though, that at Magic Mountain it's called Psy'clone' ....get it?! HA! HA! ...sorry...

According to rcdb Goliath is 135 and Titan is 245

[EagleFan344]

Just found out that Batwing is a clone of X-Flight.

[rctfan1556]

Also, Ragin Cajun, Demon, Viper & Spacely's can be found at other parks.

Demon: Clone.
Who has the original Demon? PGA's and our's, from what RCDB is saying, was built on the same day of the same year. So time of day might need to be considered in who has the original?

Viper: Are's is a clone of Georgia Cyclone@SFOG. There's was built in 1990 while our's was built in 1995.

Rajun Cajun: From the looks of it, we have the original of the Zamperela Twister Coasters. There are 6 others.

Spacelys: We have a straight clone of this coaster. The original can be found at Rasti-Land under the name of Achterbahn.
http://www.rcdb.com/installationresult. ... &model=152

Raging Bull: Original. No clones.

Iron Wolf: Original. No clones.

American Eagle: Original. No clones.

B:TR: 10 clones. We have the original.

Deja Vu: Clone. We have the 3rd of 3 of these. SFMM has the original.

S:UF: Clone. SFOG has the original.

V2: Clone. Steel Venom@Geauga Lake is the original.

Whizzer: Well, we now have the only one(PGA took their's down.) but is it the original? I am not sure. If we know if our Demon is the original, then it is more then likely that our Whizzer is the original.[/quote]

[Ilovthevu']

^Are you kidding me about Georgia Cyclone at SFOG and Viper at SFGAm? GC is a 100 million times better than Viper. They are complete opposites. Yes, they are both considered cyclones, but are they really clones?