Canada's Wonderland Announcement Countdown

[CstrFan512]

I just thought that this is gonna be something BIG.

Teaser Site:
http://www.canadaswonderland.com/2012/

[CoasterBGW]

Big news tonight is that someone took a picture of the rebar tags and it clearly says "Giga Coaster"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/58668025@N ... /lightbox/

[tribar]

Giga i thought CW was getting an 8 inversion coaster from Intamin. Well this is good it will help the park and give Canadians the Intamin Expierence

[ragingbull1331]

I wish great america would get an Intamin, like Maverick, or maybe a mega-lite

[CoastsToCoasters]

OMG, the World needs more Intamin Giga coasters! Millennium Force is prob the most popular roller coaster on Earth & seein what Intamin can do with the Giga concept after Intimidator305, its a no brainer there needs to be more of them. Seein that our height restriction is 330ft, it'd be nice to see one here, obv. BUT dont humor me on thinkin that's a possibility.

[CstrFan512]

Haha. I perfer I305 over MF but any kind of Giga would be amazing here! But I don't think we will get one untill we become one of the nations top parks like CP or SFMM. We will get there one day!

[BP317]

A giga coaster would be very peculiar because they just opened a B&M hyper a couple years ago. If it is a giga coaster I would not expect it to be traditional like Millennium Force or Intimidator 305 that would make no sense, I think it's more likely to be a launched coaster.

[tribar]

A launch coaster will be good for CW. Sure they have Backlot and i have heard good things about it but i think another in their collection would be better. Plus then they will only be one coaster behind CP

[Muck Finnesota]

Teal/Aqua supports have arrived at Canada's Wonderland. The product code contains "MC", which is what B&M use for their megacoasters. With Behemoth sitting not too far away, I think B&M might touch the 300+ foot mark.

[Cole]

Damn... maybe we could be getting a 300 ft. B&M too? lol

[Muck Finnesota]

Damn... maybe we could be getting a 300 ft. B&M too? lol

Probably more along the lines of 95 ft. Gerstlauer. Such is life...

[Ilovthevu']

I have no idea anymore. The rebar says giga. The supports could be for the whole ride, or just the transfer track. It could be Intamin, or B&M. People say the stickers are MC, and that means it's B&M megacoaster, but really it could mean Canada Wonderland is the customer. I don't know. Maybe, that's Canada Wonderland's code. Really, maybe the MC is really switched around, and it's really means to B&M CM, but invert the M, and it's CW. Long stretch, but they don't want people to know what rides they are putting up ahead of time. Someone could spy at the Ohio B&M factory, and than oh they know where's it's going, and the secret is blown ahead of time.

It probably is a B&M though because the color matches a B&M by the name of Kraken, so they do they have that paint color at their factory. I don't know, maybe Intamin doesn't carry that paint color. Is any Intamin aqua?? I guess any ride though could be painted any color, but maybe because it's B&M's exact color of Kraken color, than it's a B&M. Who knows? I don't know anymore.

And for the name, who knows if it's Raptor or not. You can't rule it out being that it's aqua track. Cedar Point has a Raptor with green track, and Raptor birds aren't green, so it's not like color is going to rule out what ride it is.

[Cole]

Is any Intamin aqua??

AQUATRAX!!!

[Muck Finnesota]

Mayhaps the MC on the tags is for Multidimension Coaster? Just a thought, because I'm really questioning the logic in following a 200 footer with a 300 footer.

[FParker185]

And that's all besides the fact B&M refuses to build over about 250 feet.

[Muck Finnesota]

And that's all besides the fact B&M refuses to build over about 250 feet.

Although that's a popular contention by many, and perhaps something of the sort was said in some interview years ago by B&M, I wouldn't be surprised if that has since changed.

Here's this from Bob Mampe of B&M:

Is there a limit to how high a B&M coaster could go and drop?
There is no limit for the longest drop that a B&M coaster could do. I would imagine by this, Mampe means that they don’t know of a limit. There must be some limit. Maybe they haven’t explored it, because there aren’t any parks asking for 500′ tall roller coasters.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... of-bm.html

He also addresses launched coasters in that article.

[KDCOASTERFAN]

Track has now shown up for the ride...same color as the supports.

[FParker185]

Sure, B&M in a heartbeat would build a 1,000 foot tall drop, but they won't build the lift any higher than you can go with a traditional single lift chain, which the cutoff with current technology is about 250 feet. Though I guess a park can go Hulk style and get just regular track on the lifthill and then when the ride is done bring in a separate outside company to come in and retrofit that with a propulsion system.

[Ilovthevu']

^With the lifthill chain I remember talking about this before, but why not they having 2 lift hill chains. I thought someone said they did it with an Arrow ride. For a 300 feet ride, make it 150 ft one chain, and 150 ft the other chain.

[BP317]

Steel Dragon 2000 at Nagashima Spaland has 2 chains (Morgan)

[FParker185]

The center column that runs under B&M Chassis that contains the chain dog and anti rollbacks is exactly as wide as the chain trough for a single chain. Anything wider and they would need to redesign not only the train but also the braking system. B&M gets to much credit for innovation. Mechanically every single coaster they've built to date is basically 100% identical to Iron Wolf, only thing that has changed is the seating position of riders. Really the only change over the years was the introduction of magnetic brakes starting on Nitro, and those were carefully designed as to not interfere with their proven formula.

Also Dragon Mountain did the split chain lift a long time ago

[BP317]

B&M gets to much credit for innovation. Mechanically every single coaster they've built to date is basically 100% identical to Iron Wolf, only thing that has changed is the seating position of riders.

If you are talking about the mechanical components and design of the track/supports, wheel bogies, operating system, etc then I don't see any reason to change that. They can still be innovative using that same design as we've seen with the inverts, flyers, hypercoasters, and wing riders.

B&M in general prefers to be out of the public eye. They don't have much of a website (they didn't even have one until aquiring that unofficial one), they very rarely ever do interviews and when they do refuse to say anything about any rides and basically say "we do what the client wants, if you have any questions about the ride ask the client." They also are extremely protective of their reputation, theres a reason you never see any accidents on B&Ms. I wouldn't be surprised if it's true that they refuse to build rides 300 feet or taller. As fparker stated before, they refused to make the launch system on Incredible Hulk, they also refuse to build a ride unless they do the programming work for it and the park is not allowed to touch that programming (one reason why Disney will never get a B&M, not that they have any need for one anyway).

I think the formula works: reliable, high capacity, popular, and pretty simple from a maintenance and programming standpoint. Up until Busch sold out to Inbev their big coasters they built were pretty much entirely B&M. With Six Flags and Cedar Point they need to be a bit more diverse and won't go only B&M since the parks are pretty much 100% about rides, but for many parks the reliability and capacity are more important than trying crazy maneuvers. It was kind of funny seeing Busch Gardens try to run Cheetah Hunt on it's opening day, it looked like they don't know what hit them (welcome to the world of Intamin). One cool thing about SFGAm is that Jim Wintrode was probably B&M's biggest enabler.

[FParker185]

Consign AG does a majority of the programming for B&M. Raging Bull was completely done in house back when SFGAm had that capability (not sure if they still do)

I think we're getting at the same things though. B&M will always play it safe, if they can't adapt something to the same system's they've been using for the past 20+ years, then they won't do it at all. In the end a park will end up with a high capacity reliable ride, even if it doesn't do anything cutting edge or crazy insane.

[CstrFan512]

Its getting close to announcement time! IDK why im so excited!
Also if you check out their site, red eyes appear over a shadowed skyline of their coasters and says "this is my park now".

[Ilovthevu']

In a way though, they thought of a new inversion like the Pretzel loop, and using those tires differently. Look at Iron Wolf with those tires, and compare it to Batman the Ride, etc. Also, look at the lifthills how they've been playing with them. Compare something like Demon's hill to the slant of the lifthill for Sheikra, or Goliath which isn't on as much of a slant, but it's much different than Raging Bull. The seats they have been moving around like Diamondback even though they could have took that idea from Vekoma with Deja Vu.

I personally think they are innovative especially a ride like Superman compared to the Vekoma version. It's a much better design in my opinion. It's still not flawless though, but it's better. They are even the ones that thought of Dueling inverted coasters which was a great idea, but now they are having accidents it on it probably because of people dropping cell phones.

And I think the thing why they haven't chosen to use LIMs or LSMs is because they aren't the greatest of technologies, and they worry about them being reliable. On a side-noted related somewhat, why not for Mr. Freeze, they have the air-conditioning much cooler. Sure, I haven't gone on it a few years or so, but put the air-conditioning on for that ride more often, and cooler. If the LIMs are hot, and the inside of the building is hot, what do you think is going to happen. I love the idea though of V2 having blowers over the LIMs. That's a great idea. Shouldn't all the LIM / LSMs rides do that, or maybe they do and they are underneath??