SF Conference Call

[Chitown]

^That is exactly why SFMM is one of the 6 properties on the list along with looking at the overall per cap this park gets.

A park that pulls in between 2.5 to 3 mill a year but is also a year round park is not exactly stellar attendance numbers. I am willing to bet a majority of that attendance is repeat season pass holders who go 10 times a year and don't spend a dime in the park.

The writing is on the wall. It makes sense to let this park go for alot of reasons.

[Chitown]

I see no reason why you can't go for families and teens. If you are in debt, you need the money no matter what.

I do agree that SFKK should be sold. It's a piece of junk. SFStL needs to be updated somewhat, but the stuff it has, is pretty good. As field trip people have said going there, it is a small park, and there isn't much to do there. If you like rerides, it's a great park. I do like this park, but it needs more. Don't forget about Six Flags Over Georgia either. Keep it. I don't think SFNO could be sold due to some sort of lease agreement??? The roller coasters don't look that great at that park though.



Treating the small parks like dumps put SF in this position. Of course, I wish SFMM doesn't change. If it's going to change, I hope it's a Cedar Fair park then.

SF's actually poured too much money into this park, and some maintenance got killed in the process. This shouldn't be that hard to fix. However, look at all these rides, and you can see why this ride pulls in the 3-4 million a year. If SFOG was open all year, I bet you that they wouldn't even beat SFMM attendence.

First of all, if you think SFSTl needs upgrading, then SFMM needs a complete overhaul. SFSTl was never meant to be the size of SFMM. At least the St. Louis park has variety. 17 coasters and not much else is not considered a variety park. At least CP with 16 coasters also has more to offer besides the coasters.

SFMM gets between 3 to 4 mill in attendance? Not anytime recently. They are lucky to see 3 mill in a year and this is a park that is open all year. Factor in the expenses SFMM has by being open all year and those numbers just don't justify it especially if the majority of that attendance doesn't spend much money while in the park.

All you are looking at is attendance and 17 coasters. This is a business. Those 2 factors don't keep a business going.

[SFaddiction84]

Maybe for the short term six flags could try CUTTING the SFMM season down, to see if that will cut short term costs while they looks for potential buyers. Instead of being a YEAR AROUND park, reduce the season, CLOSE for a few months say, November-February or something

Would this theory actually cut costs?

[Galvan]

Or maybe, Six Flags sells the park to Universal or the group that owns Legoland? There are several possibilities, but Shapiro wants 500 million for any sale of the parks for the land or otherwise, Folks, lets remember about how much debt Six Flags has... 2 BILLION. Shapiro is doing moves that will save the company and its shareholders for loosing more money then it already has.

BTW, SFKK is not a peice of junk, I really enjoy my stays at that park.

[rb1]

Its sad that the company had to do these things just to save the company.Whatever decissions they make in order to save the company and get it out of debt is a good move. Youre right there are several possibilties for MM maybe some company will buy it for 1billion who knows but if they sell it and closed down the whole park its a good money saver for SF and we might get some of their good coasters here at GA and other SF parks that they want open. Id rather see the company make money rather than closing all their parks including GA and disappearing fom the theme park industry. So good luck Shapiro save Six Flags for all our sake.

[CoasterDude12-2]

Personally, the more I hear of Magic Mountain being torn down, the more I like it. Again, I never liked that park. It was the poster child of a bad theme park, but it will be sad if the rides and coasters aren't relocated, but I doubt Shapiro would be that up his own ass.

[Timmy179]

Its sad that the company had to do these things just to save the company.Whatever decissions they make in order to save the company and get it out of debt is a good move. Youre right there are several possibilties for MM maybe some company will buy it for 1billion who knows but if they sell it and closed down the whole park its a good money saver for SF and we might get some of their good coasters here at GA and other SF parks that they want open. Id rather see the company make money rather than closing all their parks including GA and disappearing fom the theme park industry. So good luck Shapiro save Six Flags for all our sake.

1 Billion??? your outta your damn mind kid.

[FParker185]

I think SFMM would be worth most as condos or a Business park, that land is rather valuable in So. Cali. though whoever buys it would have an assload of re-grading to do to the land. Though SFMM would never be worth a billion, not even with rides included in the sale. Possibly around half that though to a business park developer or whatnot.

As far as the park goes though, good riddance!

[Ilovthevu']

Out of that land, they are going to lose around 92 million worth of rides because they can't sell everything. Is that really worth it? So, it's almost like you are only gaining 108 million only.

The log, raft ride, boat ride, Tatsu, Baveryn Curve, Sky Tower, Flashback (It doesn't matter.), Superman The Escape, Viper, Freefall, Ninja, Goldrusher, Colossus, Metro (It doesn't matter), Psyclone, and probably Revolution (too old) would be most likely be sold for scrap.

[Director_Guy]

^ That's prolly true. Most of the rides are custom built and designed....

[msoeagle]

Selling SFMM is a bad idea. It one of the biggest Six Flags parks, the constantly are putting in new rides. I think SF is pulling a publicity stunt. They need to focus on selling smaller parks like the other 5 listed. Selling SFMM would be like selling sfgam or sfgadv. Yeah great idea

[Danhockey04]

Selling SFMM is actually a GOOD idea. Why? That park is open all year round and still doesnt surpass 3 million visitors. This is because the "greatest place on earth" is there, Disneyland. SFMM is a target for teens which have little money, and turning that park into a family entertainment park wouldnt work because that area already has Disney. Also, that park costs the most to operate and to sell it for a large sum of money would be a good idea. That park doesnt pull in a big profit and to sell it and scatter some of their rides throughout the chain would be best. They would also sell some of their rides for some more money. If they can scatter their rides, maybe one coaster to each park, then they wont have to pay an excess amount of money to get each park a new attraction. You have to remember, this company is FAR into the red and need to get money anyway possible, the best way is to rid of some of the less performing parks.

[crazy4ragingbull02]

wow

[msoeagle]

Seriously, if SF was planning on selling SFMM they wouldnt have added tatsu this year, and they wouldnt have kept expanding the water park.

[Danhockey04]

/\ That was last management that put Tatsu in, this is new management that has a plan and a good plan to get this company back towards the top.

[Director_Guy]

As far as Magic Mountain goes, Shapiro is a quitter.

[EagleFan344]

I actually agree with Dan.

[msoeagle]

After Cedar Point, SFMM is considered by a lot of people as the coaster capital. People travel across the country to visit it. SFMM is a good park. Its getting better. All of you are just hoping that we will get tatsu if it does close. They would close SFGAM before they would close SFMM. I dont care what the f*** you say.

[RBull4life]

All of you are just hoping that we will get tatsu if it does close.

Well I am not sure who the heck would think that, since we already have Superman, that wouldn't make a world of sence.

People travel across the country to visit it

And alot of those people leave saying that they will never go back.

They would close SFGAM before they would close SFMM. I dont care what the f*** you say.

, and thats why he is considering getting rid of MM, instead of Great America. Shaprio knows that Great America has very little competition as far as amusement parks go. Kiddieland? Santa's Village?, and those might not be around for very long, and he knows GA is one of the best parks in the chain.

[EagleFan344]

After Cedar Point, SFMM is considered by a lot of people as the coaster capital. People travel across the country to visit it. SFMM is a good park. Its getting better. All of you are just hoping that we will get tatsu if it does close. They would close SFGAM before they would close SFMM. I dont care what the f*** you say.

Yeah, we are gonna get Tatsu

[w00dland]

After Cedar Point, SFMM is considered by a lot of people as the coaster capital. People travel across the country to visit it.

Find me 5 random people off the street who havn't lived in LA who know where Magic Mountain is. Other than coaster dorks nobody cares. Cedar Point is well known because the advertise nationally.

And I don't care how many coasters a park has, if it doesn't make money it shouldn't be in SFI.

[Danhockey04]

I really dont care if SFGAm gets anything from SFMM if it closes, I want to SFI back in the black, once they are there, everything will be different.

[Director_Guy]

They do make money from Magic Mountain. It's 10% of their attendance. But the quitter knows he can make more more money if they sold the land. I think it would be much better and more credible if he did not give up on the challenge that is Magic Mountain.

[w00dland]

10% of their attendance maybe, but attendance doesn't nessarily make the chain any money, that park is open probably a good 20-25% more operating days than SFGAm and we still had greater attendance than the park did last year, that has to tell you something. If only teenagers are at that park that maeans they aren't buying tickets and aren't buying anythign else inside the park.

I would be willing to bet that SFMM is one of the parks in the Six Flags chain that seriously hurts the chain as a whole.