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Postby Carlo on June 15th, 2005, 8:24 pm
Since the Boy met the Requirements, and we are assuming that he met all the Health Requirements on the ride as well. It means that Disney it at fault.
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Postby Drkstarboard on June 15th, 2005, 8:29 pm
but what if he didn't know that he had any health conditions
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Postby twixmix0303 on June 15th, 2005, 11:26 pm
Drkstarboard wrote:Hey. I'm not the one who asked the question. I just said that the 4 year old might have had a condision that he didn't know about LIKE the girl who died on Raging Bull.


I know, I have absolutely no problem with going off topic. It's just that greatamerica2003 quoted me particularly because he, as he said in another topic, has been "picking on" me. And, it's really annoying.

Anyways, to get back on topic, I've never been on Mission: Space. Could someone please describe it for me? Are there actually physical forces on your body (like a ride) or is it more like Stargate: SG 3000 (like a movie)?
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Postby mschulz5 on June 15th, 2005, 11:31 pm
There are actual forces, and some of them are the most powerful I've ever experienced in my life. They have barf bags on the ride for people who need to use them.
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Postby punkbunny24242 on June 16th, 2005, 7:46 am
Carlo wrote:Since the Boy met the Requirements, and we are assuming that he met all the Health Requirements on the ride as well. It means that Disney it at fault.


Carlo.. just a question because I'm not to familiar with the laws but if they proved that the ride was running properly and as long as they did not allow someone that did not reach the height requirements on (which he did meet) how can the park be blamed? Like I said I'm not familiar with cases like this and who is deemed responsible. Thanks!! :D
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Postby Drkstarboard on June 16th, 2005, 11:40 am
I know, I have absolutely no problem with going off topic. It's just that greatamerica2003 quoted me particularly because he, as he said in another topic, has been "picking on" me. And, it's really annoying.
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Postby Aero737 on June 16th, 2005, 12:38 pm
twixmix0303 wrote:Anyways, to get back on topic, I've never been on Mission: Space. Could someone please describe it for me? Are there actually physical forces on your body (like a ride) or is it more like Stargate: SG 3000 (like a movie)?


The ride is much like a centrafuge that you've all seen on TV (simpsons, james bond, etc.) The maching NASA uses to train astronauts for high G Force manuvers. It's like that, only it has a lot more cars. Almost think of the ride as orbit on steroids. Inside the car, you experience sound and video animation of a real space launch as well as being strapped in much like an astronaut.

I've never acually ridden it, but after this inicdent I did see a CNN special on the ride. It included animations of how the ride worked, and some onride footage. They stated that only about a dozen people have been injured in the past year, yet over a million people have ridden the ride.
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Postby yeti_cat on June 16th, 2005, 1:11 pm
If rides keep getting more and more intense like this, height restrictions should be only half of what gets you on. It should be height and weight. Even if a four year old is tall enough he may not be big enough to fit the restraint or may not have the body structure to deal with such powerfull forces. This way we wont have little kids wiggling out of restraints and getting hurt, or little kids getting crushed by ultra-powerfull Gs.
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Postby punkbunny24242 on June 16th, 2005, 1:41 pm
^ Very true.. I didn't even take weight into consideration.
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Postby ihauntu2 on June 16th, 2005, 4:29 pm
mnel18 wrote:As intense as MS is why would you let a 4 year old go on it? There is so much force against you that a mother should know better then to even take a chance putting a 4 year old on the ride. I mean a child that young is still developing critical bone mass a muscular tissues, can you imagine how much of a beating that kids spine and espiccally the neck area took? I feel that this was just a bad call by the parent.


I allow my four year old to ride Gravitron (think Cajun Cliffhanger) style rides. In fact she has been riding Gravitron since she was 3 and Toms Twister as of this year. These kinds of rides create very intense g-force that pins you to the wall. Not only does she meet minimum requirements, but she handles G-force and spinning better than me.

It sound like mission space exerts a large amount of centripetal force (technically force due to acceleration along the path of the perimeter, since centripetal force isn't a widely considered concept) pinning you into your seat similar to the way the centrifugal force on a Gravitron pins you to the wall. The only thing that would possibly keep me from allowing her to ride MS once she is tall enough, would be that MS also exerts a centrifugal force that moves laterally across your body. That would cause nausea, and potential for pooling of blood into the vessels in one of the lower quadrants of the brain. WDW may want to rethink the rides speed or height requirement if this is the case.

This is assuming that MS works exactly as described, a car/pod attached to the end of a rotating arm similar to NASA G. Simulations.
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Postby Carlo on June 16th, 2005, 5:31 pm
Lots of people have gotten sick on that ride. The one reason why I think people do, is because from the outside the ride does not look like a very Thrilling ride. People do not realized how intense the ride is till they get off. Remember that this is Disney where almost all the rides are Kid Friendly. So people do not expect it, and people that would not go on it if they saw how it operates go on it.
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Postby twixmix0303 on June 16th, 2005, 5:57 pm
And for that reason, I think Disney will get rid of it, just like they did to Alien Encouters (I think that was the name) and replaced it with Lilo and Stitch.
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Postby mnel18 on June 17th, 2005, 3:42 am
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I allow my four year old to ride Gravitron (think Cajun Cliffhanger) style rides. In fact she has been riding Gravitron since she was 3 and Toms Twister as of this year. These kinds of rides create very intense g-force that pins you to the wall. Not only does she meet minimum requirements, but she handles G-force and spinning better than me.
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Gravitron is nothing compared to MS when it comes to G's, Centrifugal or laterally. Though like Carlo said from the outside who knows this. I was expecting something like the gravitron, just dolled up.... boy was I wrong.
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Postby FParker185 on June 17th, 2005, 4:18 am
The most Mission Space pulls is between 2 and 2.5 G's.

However you expierience them for an extended period.
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Postby ihauntu2 on June 17th, 2005, 9:20 am
Extended Period? That is the worst way to experience G-force and it easily leads to the kind of pooling that I was talking about earlier.

Just out of curiousity, what brilliant company built this thing?
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Postby greatamerica2003 on June 17th, 2005, 5:06 pm
twixmix0303 wrote:And for that reason, I think Disney will get rid of it, just like they did to Alien Encouters (I think that was the name) and replaced it with Lilo and Stitch.


I hope that was a sarcastic comment. I think it was.
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Postby mschulz5 on June 17th, 2005, 5:30 pm
If they do anything (which I doubt they will), they will do one of two things.

1) Shorten the ride so you don't experience the forces for as long.

or

2) Spin you less fast so you experience a lower G-Force.

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Postby twixmix0303 on June 18th, 2005, 12:23 am
greatamerica2003 wrote:
twixmix0303 wrote:And for that reason, I think Disney will get rid of it, just like they did to Alien Encouters (I think that was the name) and replaced it with Lilo and Stitch.


I hope that was a sarcastic comment. I think it was.


No, I'm being absolutely serious. The reason Disney took out AE is because too many children were getting scared. Disney is the most family friendly park out there, and they were getting too many complaints from families that a ride shouldn't be there if it's not suitable for children.

I'm not saying I agree with that, I'm just stating what has/will happen.
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