in my opinion Test Track was a multi million dollar waste. I have used the example before - If I want to do 70mph in a car I will drive on the expressway. They took out a good attraction to put it in an average one and it doesn't impress me.
Mission:Space was another million dollar waste. Again Disney took out a great attraction for an average one. The launch was a lot of fun, but then the rest of the ride was boring. (reminds me of Ultimate Flight - One good feature) Disney is developing a habit of spending A LOT of money just for technology sake and then making an average attraction. I could care less how many super computers it takes to run Test Track because it is just an average ride.
The imagineers need to start using their imagination. Simple rides like Haunted Mansion, Pirates, and Splash Mountain will all pull in better numbers in the long run. Now Soarin will be fun at Epcot, but it is nothing new because it has been at DCA for a few years.
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Favorite WDW Ride?/SW or AE Scary/TT Opinions/Others
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First of all, kudos to you for trying to completely back out of an interesting debate that when you knew you were outweighed by chimike's superior knowledge. Also, kudos to you for trying to redirect everyones attention away from your lack of knowledge and towards a topic in which you hoped more people would support you. Although I don't doubt that most people will take your side in the test track argument, I can only hope that some of these board members will understand why TT is such a mediocre attraction. Disney has always been successful because of it's attention to detail, and it's ability to put riders in a linear story, with an immersive enviornment and a certain degree of plausibility that created a one of a kind experience for the rider. They also managed to all of this in efficient rides with minimal downtime. Test Track unfortunately, does none of these things. I will completely side step the fact that TT replace WOM, an lengthy, elaborately themed ride on par with some FL attractions, that featured an AA count higher than Tommy Chong. In removing WoM, disney traded a jewel for a rhinestone, a flashy exciting attraction with no real worth or value. In many places, the ride's show scenes are just black back drops. The ride feels like it's taking place in a warehouse. It make use of gimmicky tactics like pretending to slam you into a wall, and going over obstacles to "thrill" the rider, while forgoing any sort of believable linear story (why would a company let people ride untested vehicles?) in ride vehicles that are as ill-designed as the attraction on the whole. Three across seating??? I guess that's a good idea if your aim was to break up families used to four or two across seating into awkward groups. Also, the lack of back drops and use of plywood in the sets is horrendous. In the end, TT is the most extensive, expensive travesty of disney tradition outside of Dinorama and DCA.
Jeff Rowe
Um, dude, you and your freinds are completely nuts. I ended the Snow White convo because it was silly, just plain, silly. Chimikes "superior knowledge" has nothing to do with the fact that I think Snow White is bad for the group it appeals to.
Asking why you think Test Track is mediocre has nothing to do with that, at least to me, it's definitly not mediocre. As I said it's one of the most well done rides i've been on the fact that you think it's mediocre
in my opinion Test Track is all of that and a back of chips...in my opinion of course, that's fine that you don't think so but saying that I should realize it's mediocre because you think it's not up to some sort of standards is not very fair..
DUDE, that's all part of the story you say is not there. Your supposed to do the crash test then high speed test..oh yeah it would be so much better if you just perform the crash test!  ..also why would a company let riders fly into space in uncovered space rocket things (Space Mountain) .
Nuts? You are the one posting that Snow White is not a good ride for children when it has been around for 50 years. Test Track is not a classic Disney attraction. I am almost positive that the same people that came up with Test Tracks so called story line came up with Space Mountains new story line. Space Mountain recieved that story line when FedEx signed on as the sponser. Anyways you are comapring Test Track to Space Mountain. They are not even in the same class as Disney attractions. The story on Test Track is something the Six Flags corp could come up with and that doesn't say much.
When the imagineers built Test Track they boasted right away about the computer power the ride needs to operate. Do you really think the general public cares about computer power. They build this very expensive attraction and the thing they boast about is computers. No one boasted about the computers that run Splash Mountain or Tower of Terror because they are great attractions
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No i'm not comparing Space Mountain, i'm tying it in that he contradicted himself by saying "why would a company let people ride untested vehicles" when a lot of Disney attractions are supposed to be similar.
Crikes where do I start!
You won't let this die, eh? Just because you "THINK" it is bad for Disney's market doesn't mean that IT IS bad for Disney's market or even that Disney thinks it is bad for it's own market. Like I said, the attraction concept is about to turn 50 and neither of the 4 have been removed yet. That tells me the Disney executives would look at your comments bug-eyed. It is similar to me saying that I thought Communism was a strong economic experiment. It's not a case of MY opinion, it is a case of me being incorrect in the face of historic examples.
And once again that is great that you hold that opinion; I think it is very admirable to be a free-thinker. Just don't confuse personal opinions with Disney's reality and the cause and effect problems that persist in all of their attractions' operations. I will try to post my POV on TestTrack and M:S real soon. My opinion however will be separated from my viewpoint on the success and failures of the ride
Many rides, especially Disney rides cannot be experienced with a pov, at all. Theres so much more to them.
If you want to see a Test Track pov http://198.65.141.39/
I'd like to ask you, Virtua Tennis, to put up or shut up. Unless you have a real argument, and a real point, I'd ask you to refrain from participating in an excellent discussion. I would also like to request that the mods split this side coversation from the original topic, so as not to take away from the original topic.
First, you can't really say that I contradicted myself. I said that the plausibility of Test Track's story was faulty. I did, at no point, say that Space Mountain had a good story. Space Mountain, unfortunately, doesn't have much of a linear story. It doesn't require it. Test Track on the other hand, attempted to have a story, and failed at it. They tried to create a background story, and then convey it with the ride, but the flaws in the story's plausibility hurt the ride, especially considering it was something they were going after. I posted a simple example of how the rides story was flawed, and you chose that as your basis for a counterpoint. You also mentioned that the ride was everything I said and a bag of chips, but failed to back up your statement by listing the reasons why. I am still left in the dark as to why you think it is such a great ride. You also failed to address the issues of the ride failing to live up to disney tradition. Unless you can explain what you're saying, I'm going to have to assume you were in fact trying to steer the discussion away from the discussion between you and chimike, and into a discussion where more people would take your side because you seem incapable of backing up anything you say. So, I reiterate- Put up or shut up. Stop trying to, as Chimike said, get the last word. Make valid points, and I will be more than happy to politely discuss them with you, point by point. If we can do that, then we can both learn alot from each other, and have an interesting discussion about an interesting topic at the same time. If you have any problems with what I have said, I would request that you take it up with me via PM, AIM, or MSN, my handles for which being listed below my post. Hopefully the mods will split the topic, so that we can carry on our interesting discussion without fear of having it deleted. Jeff Rowe
WOW!
Here's my two cents: - Virtua Tennis is right by calling it "Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow" That was what EPCOT stood for. Later, the name was changed to Epcot. - Snow White's Scary Adventure IS a family ride. It parallels the movie well, so if Snow White's Scary Adventure isn't for families, then is Snow White (the movie) really for families? I wish they left it in. I thougt AE was actually very funny. The preshow had a lot of adults laughing. Last edited by twixmix0303 on August 19th, 2004, 5:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.
You either rush through reading posts too quickly -- in order to try to make your point -- or you haven't comprehended what I have clearly said. I don't need Digital Disney for a ride video of TestTrack I know the attraction and showbuilding like the back of my hand. Again, One can have an opinion on the attraction of, "Gee Whiz, that sure was fun!" and also carry a POV (Point of View) that the attraction is not up to Disney's abilities or that the attraction suffers from cutbacks. On the flipside one can have the opinion such as yours of "Snow White is a bad dark-ride" even while appreciating that Snow White is a Classic Disney attraction that is enjoyed by many. So, where do you get the idea that one can't hold numerous POVs while riding an attraction?
This is starting to get very exasperating. I don't want to be prejudicial against age or reading comprhension, but I will direct you to my previous discussion contribution:
Allow me to correct you.
I have an old Walt Disney World book right here on my lap. It is titled Walt Disney World A Pictorial Souvenir - Featuring The Magic Kingdom and EPCOT Center. It does not include MGM or Animal Kingdom (they didn't exist at the time). It also includes Polynesian Village, Contemporary Resort, Discover Island, Fort Wilderness, River Country, the golf resort hotel, Walt Disney World Lake Buena Vista, Walt Disney World Village at Lake Buena Vista, Walt Disney World...Looking Forward, and The Magic of Disney...in California and Japan. That's it, the entire book. It's only 64 pages and has no copyright information. Throughout the book, it only refers to EPCOT as "EPCOT". It never calls the park "Epcot". EPCOT was later changed to Epcot, after the park opened. Once again, Virtua Tennis is right.
I don't want to start a argument but would you consider Test Track a roller coaster?
Justin
I think that this is just plain stupid, arguing about such stupid things like this. People have opinions about certain things, as for Virtua Tennis, he thinks that AE should have not been taken out, obviously, and he has the right to think that. Secondly, EPCOT is also known is Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow, that is just the name; EPCOT is the abbreviation. About the SW topic, yea it may be a good ride, but it is a scary ride for kids, and in my opinion not better than AE. Also, how can you say that Test Track is not any better than the previous ride, idk the name, the one that had to do with wheels. Test Track is a cool ride, and just stop trying to prove yourself right about everuthing, no one knows everything.
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Universal Orlando Mechanical Engineer
Marathon down, Goofy to go.
Simple answer- No, as the cars use their own power to travel the entirity of the track. A true roller coaster should rely on gravity for at least one portion of the ride (for example going down a hill ala TTD and S:E)
Jeff Rowe
Allow me to say that you are not only wrong but have a hard time comprehending a simple concept. I have the same book. I also have +100 other books that all back up my point. If you look at Disney A to Z encyclopedia under Epcot Center you will see that Dave Smith's definition is somewhat inline to mine. I love that your an "Expert" because you own a souvenir book. I'm glad that I have had first-hand experience with Team Disney Orlando executives as well as a number of the creators of Epcot Center; so I don't fall prey to simple fanboy ramblings. Have a nice day. Last edited by chimike on August 19th, 2004, 6:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.
If someone likes Test Track that is their business. The problem I have is the notion of taking out Snow White. That is and was a dumb remark. I am not going to sit here and read that Test Track is a great disney ride with a great Disney story because it itsn't a great DISNEY ride and it doesn't have a great DISNEY story. If you do not like the argument get out of the thread.
Is Test Track a good ride - yes Is it a great DISNEY ride - No Is it worth the money they spent and the attraction they ripped out - NO - Any true Disney fan would agree
This comment along with your EPCOT Center comment shows what level of kiddie-pool knowledge you have exhibited in this discussion. The Alien Encounter pre-show used to have a comedic nature but it was changed to be darker and more grim. Another way the designers tried to give parents a final warning. It originally had Phil Hartman's voice, but Tim Curry came in when they wanted to minimize the laughs. Hearing both of them, or even having knowledge of both of them, one wouldn't refer to the preshow as ""very funny"". It's dark, sarcastic nature was humorous at points. It wasn't Second City though.
I never said I was an "expert", please don't quote me on that. I have one book. I'm not a fanatic like you (whoever has 100+ books and a Disney Encyclopedia has no time on their hands). Your sarcastic comments are going nowhere. I also don't understand your comment that I have kiddie-pool knowledge. Fine, I didn't know that they changed the pre-show; I haven't been to Disney in almost 4 years. I don't care if you disagree with me, I could care less what you think. Last edited by twixmix0303 on August 19th, 2004, 6:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I would have to agree. After the video viewing you are walked into a dark room with SIR. Not a very friendly fellow and then he takes cute loveable Skippy and burns him up real good. And people thought Snow White was scary for kids. I really didn't find great humor in the preshow. There were moments where a smirk would cross my face, but I didn't bust out laughing because it was VERY FUNNY.
You haven't been to Disney in almost 4 years and you are maiking heavy comments about the park? If someone started posting things about Great America that you didn't agree with and then came out and said "I haven't been there in four years" people on this site would jump all over them Last edited by Soxman on August 19th, 2004, 6:18 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Wow, now we have 3 people that don't take the time to read posts because they are too busy trying to be right. Epcot and EPCOT Center the only two official names for that theme park neither had ANYTHING to do with Walt Disney's Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow. Closing you eyes real hard and wishing it so does not make it so. EPCOT began as an ACRONYM not an ABBREVIATION for Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow. The concept died in 1976. It was never tied to the theme park in anyway other then a basis for EPCOT Center. It is faulty to state that the EPCOT Center theme park project had any relation to Project X or Project Florida. In 1982 it was named EPCOT Center because it was the "Center" to the entire WDW property. The WDW property was officially labeled as Walt's Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow by Disney at that point of time.
I never said you would bust out laughing because it was VERY FUNNY. Again, my words are getting twisted.
Usually if something is VERY FUNNY people will start laughing. I rode it numerous times and didn't see people laughing in the preshow.
Geez between kids crying on Snow White and people laughing on Alien Encounter I just don't know what to do. Last edited by Soxman on August 19th, 2004, 6:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.
The problem is that you jump into an existing discussion, acting like a judge (Arrogant, I might add) and determine who is right and who is wrong with no knowledge or expertise. It blows my mind how often that happens in this discussion board community. You will get the reaction from me that you have received when you declare like Caesar that people who are fundamentally wrong are, in your eyes, right - or vice versa. As for having a life, I would ask you to look at my post count and then yours. I have been a member longer with significantly less posts. So who doesn't have a life? I have accumulated my knowledge of Disney through firsthand experience and a lifetime of collecting and reading materials. Lastly, the change in preshow occured in the early stages of the attraction's operation not in the last 4 years.
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