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Postby Galvan on August 10th, 2010, 10:15 am
BLADE wrote:5 -10 years from now, there is no telling how much bigger Mt. O could be. They can offer more than Noah's to do now, and if you include the surrounding area, can offer more variety than GrAm also. I'm no fan of the place, but it is definitely an up and comer.


More variety than Great America? are you out of your mind? Seriously whatever drugs you are doing please stop.
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Postby david on August 10th, 2010, 10:41 am
To the guy who said that Mt. Olympus can offer more than Great America:

ENJOY MT. OLYMPUS!
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Postby Ilovthevu' on August 10th, 2010, 10:57 am
tribar wrote:I agree why do we need two standups one is more than enough. Also what type of competiton is a stupid carnival more than an hour away


Galvan was relating to ONE carnival, but carnivals almost come to every town because there are so many of them around here.
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Postby BLADE on August 10th, 2010, 11:45 am
IF YOU INCLUDE THE SURROUNDING AREA, can offer more variety than GrAm also.
Galvan you missed this point. I was refering to the WHOLE CITY.

I'm no fan of the place, but it is definitely an up and comer.


^David missed this one.

So, no I'm not on drugs, you guys just need to read more carefully.
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Postby BLADE on August 10th, 2010, 1:41 pm
scipiomask wrote:
And for those of you who think that GADV needs flats and this isn't helping, consider this - We haven't gotten a unique thrill ride for what will be five years. The GP is starting to notice this, and Hershey and Dorney are right nearby. I'm willing to bet that Chang is going to come with some new flats near it this year, and once they're clear on getting a popular new addition, then we'll see many more unique flats coming into the park. Chang is just the first step to ensure the visitor flow.


See it's comments like this that you GrAd fans post that get us riled up. I don't have one once of sympathy for you that you haven't gotten a unique thrill ride in 5 years. As of this year, it's been 7 years for us, and 11 for a custom model........We'll see if Chang makes more than a measely 1-2% increase in attendance next year. A flat package could have done a better job of pulling people away from Hershey and Dorney, and provided GrAd with more money from families, rather than teenagers.
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Postby Ilovthevu' on August 10th, 2010, 2:09 pm
^It's not even that though with flats. Sure, flats can definitely benefit families, but they also benefit teenagers too. Do teenagers only want to go on roller coasters, and than they get sick and bored, and leave? There are thrilling flats out there for teenagers too? You can discredit carnivals all you want, but who goes on thrilling flats at carnivals at night like Orbiter, Zipper, Himlaya / Flying Bobs, Spin Out, Freak Out / Fuererball, Power Surge, and so on? I believe a only this type of park is going to hurt attendance. Let's say a GP teenager goes on 3 roller coasters in a row, and they feel sick. Well, they either go home, and have a wasted day, or maybe they try something a little lighter, and hopefully they will start to feel better, and than eventually go back to the coasters.

I feel it's better for Great Adventure to get Chang than Great America, but at the same time St Louis I feel a park like that is even better because of them always getting small stuff, and if you think about Chang, the ride isn't expensive because it's used, and it wouldn't have to travel far. It's not like though that I would worry going to St Louis to ride it though because I go on Mantis at Cedar Point anyway, but in that area, those people would go nuts for another looping steel ride.
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Postby scipiomask on August 13th, 2010, 7:51 am
Well, it's nice and all that you want flats, and believe me - I'd never say we need Chang the most in this chain, but neither do you. I'm sorry to get you riled up, but it was "unfair" for you to get Chang in the first place. Consider this.

You say you haven't gotten a new, thrilling coaster since 2003. You don't count TDK because it's "not good". Well, look at Six Flags America. They haven't gotten a new COASTER, let alone a thrilling coaster, since 2001. And they're competing with Kings Dominion. You guys are just fine, seriously.

I'd say Chang is a good option for GADV because unlike SFGAM, they don't already have a stand-up coaster. I don't care how bad Iron Wolf is, GADV people were jealous in 1991 when you got it, but now you realize you should have waited until the technology got better. It'd be just like you guys getting an iPhone, and then wanting an iPhone 4 when you already have an iPhone and other people don't.

Also, we need to compete with Hershey, which is a RESORT, and Dorney, which were are beating. But people are constantly saying how GADV is a grimy park (even though it isn't anymore), and we need to bring people in to show them how the park's improved.

The only reason you would have gotten Chang is because Mark Shapiro favored you guys. But now Al Weber is being more fair.
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Postby Cole on August 13th, 2010, 10:21 am
If Al Webber was being fair, Chang would have gone to SFSTL or SFA, not the #1 most profitable in the chain.
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Postby Andy aka Tidalwave17 on August 14th, 2010, 10:55 pm
scipiomask wrote:It was angering to SFGADV people because we were basically funding all the additions to other parks, including Bucaneer Battle, Terminator, Little Dipper, MagiQuest, and others.


How do you know that SFGAdv. personally funded all of those additions? I might add that 3 out of the 4 rides/attractions you put happened at SFGAm; are you trying to start a fight. Plus, in '09, you guys got Medusa made into Bizarro, which wasn't a cheap investment. Did SFGAm fund that for you? Like it was posted earlier, all of the money from every park just gets lumped together at Corporate, who cares where it is all going? As long as Six Flags stays together as a corporation, isn't that the most important thing?

scipiomask wrote:Six Flags America doesn't make that much money, so they really don't deserve to get a huge hand-me-down thrill ride.


Wouldn't that be a great reason to give them a thrill ride? They are kind of lacking in getting people at their park, so the addition of a new ride could get people to come back, raise their funds, and then they can help SFGAdv. get a new thrill ride :roll:
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Postby tribar on August 14th, 2010, 11:26 pm
I agree if they add another ride like S:ROSthen people will come back
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Postby david on August 15th, 2010, 2:42 am
^^^ Cole, GAm is #1 most profitable. Gadv is Most attended. MM and Gam are 2nd.
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Postby Cole on August 15th, 2010, 9:29 am
Well then if we make the most cash, and GADV, the most profitable's getting a 150 ft. coaster, I think were in for a good 2011.
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Postby david on August 15th, 2010, 1:26 pm
I still think we could very easily get a coaster. And a great one, it just won't be taller than 125 ft. Which could be good, and couldn't at the same time. SSA still posts funstruction, so they can still have plans for a coaster. But, I'm not going to do much more speculating, and just wait for the Park's announcement.
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Postby Cole on August 15th, 2010, 1:36 pm
My guess is another wild mouse.
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Postby BP317 on August 15th, 2010, 3:28 pm
I agree if they add another ride like S:ROSthen people will come back

Of course a new coaster will draw people, but will people go back after they have ridden it on that visit? That is the problem Magic Mountain had in the early to mid 2000's, they got X one of the worlds best coasters, in addition to DejaVu, and a couple years later Scream. People went to go on these rides but the park was ran so poorly they had no intention of going back or spending money inside the park. As a result, they cheapened the season pass price in order to get people to come back and SF is still struggling with this problem today where they need to offer heavily discounted SP's to get people to visit multiple times.

Personally I think they once SFGAm fills the SWF/SSA spots they should remove other attractions to make room for new ones and not try to shoe-horn things into wooded areas like Knotts. There are still some old beaten down rides left in the park that cost more than they are worth. As much as I love IW it unfortunately is unpopular now because of roughness and Ricochet is just a piece of crap with a rediculous height requierment.
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Postby Goku1910 on August 19th, 2010, 10:40 am
I'm surprised I never noticed this....were GASM's trains AD-wrapped on the last day? I don't think so.

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Postby Galvan on August 19th, 2010, 11:22 am
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I wonder what they are going to do with GASM's trains. And Im pretty sure they were ad wrapped the last day as well.
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Postby david on August 19th, 2010, 11:27 am
I remember seeing pictures of Ad-Wrapped trains on the final day. Why would they put them back on?

I hope we get a train or two for Demon. Maybe with new Vest restraints?
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Postby Goku1910 on August 19th, 2010, 11:40 am
nevermind that, I found the Trip report, the ads were there.

They'll probably use them for spare parts....for demon? Viper? hmmm...

I could see them being used for demon because GASM's trains aren't quite as old.....but that doesn't mean they're any better.
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Postby david on August 19th, 2010, 11:49 am
I really don't know who would buy 20+ year old Arrow Corkscrew trains.
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Postby Timmy179 on August 19th, 2010, 1:04 pm
david wrote:I really don't know who would buy 20+ year old Arrow Corkscrew trains.



Anyone that has a 20 year old arrow corkscrew coaster?
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Postby Goku1910 on August 19th, 2010, 1:31 pm
Timmy179 wrote:
david wrote:I really don't know who would buy 20+ year old Arrow Corkscrew trains.



Anyone that has a 20 year old arrow corkscrew coaster?


Those aren't easy to come by. The only arrow loopers I know of at this point are ninja, demon, and Viper. The only one OLDER than GASM is Demon.
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Postby BLADE on August 19th, 2010, 1:52 pm
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There are plenty of them left.
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Postby Goku1910 on August 19th, 2010, 2:22 pm
I didn't say those were the only ones. I simply stated those are the ones that I know of. :roll:

Read my post before you make an assumption
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Postby deja blues on August 19th, 2010, 3:15 pm
Also, we need to compete with Hershey, which is a RESORT, and Dorney, which were are beating. But people are constantly saying how GADV is a grimy park (even though it isn't anymore), and we need to bring people in to show them how the park's improved.

The only reason you would have gotten Chang is because Mark Shapiro favored you guys. But now Al Weber is being more fair.[/quote]

2 Hours and 32 Minutes isn't exactly that close. And the second part is just stupid because you know it's not true, I know it's not true so no use in bringing it up.
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