Whats the big hang up over cloned coasters?

[mschulz5]

Our Superman: Ultimate Flight is not a clone of the S: UF at SFOG, although it is the same as the one at SFGAdv.

[w00dland]

Titan and Goliath arent clones...

Titan is taller, :30 seconds longer, and has a 812 ft. longer track.

Not true. Goliath and Titan are both 255 feet. Although I was crushed when I saw that another park had Goliath. So I know what it's like to dislike "clones".

Things like Scream!, Viper, and The Batman you were speaking of, I wouldn't consider clones...They are different rides, even if it's different by doing something as simple as flipping it aroud. That still makes it different. That's why I consider American Eagle to be two rides, both tracks are different.

I do find it funny, though, that at Magic Mountain it's called Psy'clone' ....get it?! HA! HA! ...sorry...

According to rcdb Goliath is 135 and Titan is 245

I don't know what rcdb your going to but there are only 2 Goliath's in the world. One is 153 feet (Goliath @ Walibi World, or formally Six Flags Holland) and the other is 245 feet at Six Flags Magic Mountain.

http://www.rcdb.com/qs.htm?quicksearch=goliath

You do have the height right because technically they are only 245 tall but they both drop into a tunnel which increases their drops to 255 feet each. Just read the next line of each page.

[Danhockey04]

Deja Vu: Clone. We have the 3rd of 3 of these. SFMM has the original.

There are 4 Gaint Inverted Boomerangs, ours was the 3rd of 4 (3 Deja Vu's and 1 Stunt Fall).

Also, Viper is not a clone of Georgia Cyclone. Viper was a in-house designed coaster. It was designed and built by Six Flags Great America

[EagleFan344]

EDIT: Titan has an extra helix, so its different.

[coasterzak]

What's the big hang up over cloned coasters? The HANG n Bangs.

[Director_Guy]

rctfan1556

S:UF: Clone. SFOG has the original.

At the risk of making myself sound like I'm trying to make you look bad (which I'm not) but doesn't THAT Superman have two loading stations? so...in that sense...wouldn't be a clone? Or am I just blowing out hot air...?

[FParker185]

Deja Vu: Clone. We have the 3rd of 3 of these. SFMM has the original.

There are 4 Gaint Inverted Boomerangs, ours was the 3rd of 4 (3 Deja Vu's and 1 Stunt Fall).

Also, Viper is not a clone of Georgia Cyclone. Viper was a in-house designed coaster. It was designed and built by Six Flags Great America

Depends how technical you want to get but Viper was designed by Dennis Starkey, who went on to form the Stand Company (who also designed Coasterworks and Vekoma Woodies and a few other assorted woodies here and there). Was built in house though

[EagleFan344]

Scream is a mirror image of SFGadv Medusa.

[Ilovthevu']

rctfan1556

S:UF: Clone. SFOG has the original.

At the risk of making myself sound like I'm trying to make you look bad (which I'm not) but doesn't THAT Superman have two loading stations? so...in that sense...wouldn't be a clone? Or am I just blowing out hot air...?

Yes, SFOG's SUF does have 2 loading stations. If the layout of the track is the same, the ride should be called a clone. Many of you guys/girls like to say that minor things such another station, or the ride being positioned in a different way makes it automatically not a clone.

I guess its your opinion, and you can say what you want, but I personally wouldn't want to have the BTR at SFGAm and the BTR at SFStL in the same park!!!!

[m-force 4 ever]

http://www.themeparkreview.com/japan2004/aska4.jpg
That is a mirror of Viper, called Aska so there you go. it has the double dip and all.

[mschulz5]

Actually, there is another difference between the two Supermans and the Superman at SFOG. I guess B&M didn't like the way the pretzel loop was working, so they made some minor changes to it before installing it at SFGAm and SFGAdv.

[sixflagsguy5]

^Are you kidding me about Georgia Cyclone at SFOG and Viper at SFGAm? GC is a 100 million times better than Viper.

Actually, one of my friends who's homepark is SFOG says that GC is really rough and refurbishing the ride didn't do anything.

[CoasterDave316]

http://www.themeparkreview.com/japan2004/aska4.jpg
That is a mirror of Viper, called Aska so there you go. it has the double dip and all.

That would be the coaster I was refering to when I said Viper is cloned. Viper and Aska are a little different from most cyclone clones since it has the double dip.

[FParker185]

SFGAm/SFGAdv Supermen have slightly more drawn out pretzels, like a matter of a few feet, effect is the same though with the extra car on the train, and the turn coming out of the pretzel is pretty different on the newer ones vs. the original.

[The Beast]

What's the big hang up over cloned coasters? The HANG n Bangs.

hehe. I'm surprised it took that long for someone to mention SLC's. I rode Top Gun at PCW and I didn't think it was too bad. But I can understand why they are so hated by enthusiasts.

[coastersrmylife]

I hate it because when i travel to other six flags, i end up riding the same rides!

[regulator0407]

Raging Bull has a clone...
look at NITRO at SFGAdv
its practically the same...

[EagleFan344]

Raging Bull has a clone...
look at NITRO at SFGAdv
its practically the same...

Its nowhere near the same...

[The Beast]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I have their trackplans memorized and Nitro and RB are quite different. Nitro is a bit taller, but most importantly I would not consider it a hyper twister while RB is.

[EagleFan344]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I have their trackplans memorized and Nitro and RB are quite different. Nitro is a bit taller, but most importantly I would not consider it a hyper twister while RB is.

why isnt it a hyper twister?

[sixflagsguy5]

Nitro is mostly airtime. Raging Bull has airtime and turns. From what I've heard, RB has some parts that are better than Nitro, and Nitro has some parts that are better than RB, so they're probably about the same overall.

[The Beast]

Well I guess I will get techinal...

Nitro is basically an out and back hyper but it does include a helix. Now if one helix deems a ride a twister then Nitro could be considered a twister. Raging Bull in comparison has many more turn arounds including the figure 8. One of Nitro's turn around's, the Hammerhead, is very characteristic of a normal hyper coaster, such as Millennium Force (I know it's giga). After Nitro's brake run it is a straight shot back to the station and Raging Bull doesn't sustain a straight path nowhere near as much as Nitro.