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Postby Ilovthevu' on August 31st, 2010, 12:36 pm
I was just thinking about this the last time I was going to Great America that in a way I think tollways hurt businesses. For the tollway going to Great America, there are places along the way, but they never get mentioned as getting off the tollway, and visiting them. For instance, you go in Indiana, and it says there's a Burger King, Arby's (whatever else restaurants), a few hotels, and what not on each exit, but you go on a tollway, and they don't tell you diddly squat. The only thing they have is that one plaza up above, and if you don't like any of that stuff too bad. On top of that, people don't want to get off the tollway until their destination because you are going to have to pay more tolls.

You can basically ignore anyplace on the tollway because you don't want to keep on paying tolls. To me, it definitely hurts local businesses. Sure, they might get the small percentage of money from the tolls, but if people aren't spending money off the tollway to local cities, they are losing a lot of money. Someone might want to spend $40 at Olive Garden, but the IL tollway is only getting a few dollars for the tollway.
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Postby monsterfan99 on August 31st, 2010, 1:08 pm
Toll ways are meant to help people get to a destination faster. Local business means nothing in the grand scheme of things when it comes to tolls.
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Postby Flying_Potato_Man on August 31st, 2010, 1:12 pm
^Ok, and i thought i was stupid... How do tollways help me getting to my destination faster?!?! I have waited in a car at a toll, for more than 15 minutes before... Please tell me how that helped me getting to SF sooner....
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Postby Ilovthevu' on August 31st, 2010, 1:23 pm
^It's because of no traffic lights, and the speed you go on a regular road compared to a tollway. Toll booths can be slow at times though.

The point I was making though is that as you said tollways are a way to get to a destination faster, and you only spend at the destination. All those places that you possibly could be passing by (but don't know about it) that are NOT your destination aren't going to get diddly squat in money, and how does it matter in the grand scheme of things? Well, all those businesses you pass up that you don't know you pass up give a bunch of taxes to the government of course. And even if there is a business you pass up that you know about, you still might not stop because you don't want to pay more tolls.
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Postby Flying_Potato_Man on August 31st, 2010, 1:33 pm
Ohhh i see now. Well for a family maybie on the highway for a while who just want to stop in for a quick bite to eat, that is prob. there main money maker. But other than that. Yes, i dont see how those buisnesses could thrive with money.
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Postby BP317 on August 31st, 2010, 1:40 pm
Flying_Potato_Man wrote:^Ok, and i thought i was stupid... How do tollways help me getting to my destination faster?!?! I have waited in a car at a toll, for more than 15 minutes before... Please tell me how that helped me getting to SF sooner....

Because the tollyways were built to get people from where they are to the city (and major city to major city in the midwest/northeast) without having to take small highways or residential roads. The toll was originally put in place to pay for the cost of building (they sold the idea to the public by saying the toll would be removed when construction was paid for), however now the tolls have become a revenue generator for the state
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Postby Flying_Potato_Man on August 31st, 2010, 1:47 pm
^Alright thanks. I just didnt see how it would have helped. But now i get it. We dont got any tolls here in wisconsin.
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Postby tribar on August 31st, 2010, 3:29 pm
Ilovthevu' wrote: For instance, you go in Indiana, and it says there's a Burger King, Arby's (whatever else restaurants), a few hotels, and what not on each exit,

They have those signs in rural Wisconsin Illionis and Indiana
but i agree it is hurting buinesses. I have this handy book that has exits of the the tollways and what not that tells you everthing that's at each of the exits. PS the Six Flags exit has a big list. :D
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Postby BLADE on August 31st, 2010, 5:46 pm
Yes, they hurt business. Watch the movie Cars!

I take 41 to get to the park, so I don't have to pay those blasted tolls.
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Postby monsterfan99 on August 31st, 2010, 6:18 pm
^Smart idea. IL tolls are pointless as there are sister roads that take around the same time. Here in central FL, the toll road to WDW saves around 90 minutes, so well worth the extra 4 bucks.
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Postby Timmy179 on August 31st, 2010, 6:25 pm
Get an ipass.. Pay minimal tolls
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Postby david on August 31st, 2010, 6:25 pm
^ Exactly what my parents do. Exactly what I'll do.
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Postby tribar on August 31st, 2010, 7:41 pm
BLADE wrote:Yes, they hurt business. Watch the movie Cars!

I take 41 to get to the park, so I don't have to pay those blasted tolls.

We go under the tollway via Washington Street so that's all i have to see of the tollway
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Postby BLADE on August 31st, 2010, 7:50 pm
Timmy179 wrote:Get an ipass.. Pay minimal tolls


Don't need one, because I rarely pay tolls in IL. Once every few years.
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Postby w00dland on August 31st, 2010, 11:43 pm
I see what iluvthevu is saying about Toll Roads like I-90 which connect large cities together. With the induction of the interstate system some states prefer toll roads while others do not. There are certainly more towns in Wisconsin that have retail and restaurants right next to highway exits than there are in Indiana or Ohio off of I-90.

On the flipside, it helps lower the property taxes of everyone in the state, because tolls generate much of their own revenue for repairs and maintenance. Perhaps for the normal consumer, if you can avoid the toll roads yourself you actually end up saving money. For someone trying to make a quick buck off of travelers, not so much.
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Postby tp41190 on August 31st, 2010, 11:52 pm
I think the condition of roads and interstates should be the job of the state and the residents taxes. But that's just my opinion.
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Postby Luxornv on September 1st, 2010, 4:34 pm
tp41190 wrote:I think the condition of roads and interstates should be the job of the state and the residents taxes. But that's just my opinion.


At the same time though, the tollway is taxing people who use the road. Whoever uses it has to pay for it. If you live a lifestyle where you rarely have to drive on the tollway or any highway, why should you have to pay for it?

That's how it would work in an ideal world, but I know that IL state taxes probably do fund a portion of the tollway. In any case,I'm completely against paying tolls. If they weren't there though, they'd probably figure out some other way to get more money from you like raising taxes.
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Postby rct2wizard360 on September 1st, 2010, 11:55 pm
Tollways don't really have local exits. Head up 355 and every exit is going to be at a shopping center, smack dab in the middle of a commercial district, or a major road that is going to get you to said middle of commercial district/shopping center/place of intrest.
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Postby tribar on September 2nd, 2010, 4:08 pm
Yeah tollways don't have as much exits as the Kennedy and IKE to
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Postby Director_Guy on September 2nd, 2010, 8:50 pm
What's a toll-way? Is that like a freeway? :)
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Postby tribar on September 2nd, 2010, 9:00 pm
Pretty much only every 15 miles or so (it varies) you have to pay sometimes up to $2.. You can get an I pass or Ez pass so you don't have to pay everytime
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Postby Director_Guy on September 2nd, 2010, 11:16 pm
^Was joking.
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Postby tp41190 on September 2nd, 2010, 11:39 pm
The worst toll I ever paid was $45 and that was to cross a bridge (longest bridge in the world) one way to get on Prince Edward Island in Canada...all to ride a Galaxy :mrgreen:

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Postby BLADE on September 2nd, 2010, 11:49 pm
So how did you get back over to come back?
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Postby tp41190 on September 3rd, 2010, 1:11 am
BLADE wrote:So how did you get back over to come back?


Took the bridge back. There is only one way on and off the island. Well unless you take a ferry.
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